#2207 - Shawn Ryan

#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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#2207 - Shawn Ryan

#2207 - Shawn Ryan

#2207 - Shawn Ryan

#2207 - Shawn Ryan

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Joe Rogan podcast, check it out! The

0:02

Joe Rogan Experience. Train by day,

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Joe Rogan podcast

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by night, all day! Social

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fun. How are

0:10

you man? How's

0:13

it going? Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I

0:16

really enjoy your show. It's very different. Like when I first started

0:18

watching it, I was like, oh this guy's fucking interviewing all kinds

0:20

of crazy people. Like, I like you like a Navy Seal Art

0:22

Bell. It's

0:26

kind of like a, Navy Seal Art

0:28

Bell. It's kind of cool

0:31

man, you know, like you go

0:33

out there with people, like that one dude

0:35

that was saying there's direct energy weapons in

0:37

Antarctica, you letting that guy go out, he's

0:39

going out on a long ass pier. Oh

0:42

yeah, Eric Hacker. All

0:44

those stories are so crazy. I was just finishing,

0:46

is it John Alexander? Is that

0:48

the gentleman? That worked

0:50

with UAPs and unidentified phenomenon and mysteries.

0:52

He's done it all. He's done it

0:55

all. Fascinating. He's done it all. Fascinating.

0:58

All the way back to Vietnam, right? Yeah,

1:00

yeah. That guy, what a crazy story man.

1:02

You imagine being involved in that kind of

1:05

shit? I

1:07

don't know. How much do you believe it though? Like,

1:11

when I hear the UFO stuff, there's a part of

1:13

my brain that's like, don't

1:15

get suckered into this. This

1:17

shit's nonsense. There's something that, it

1:20

just feels like, like if they

1:22

told me a super volcano was going

1:24

to erupt, I believe it. Super volcanoes

1:26

are definitely real, and there's a historical

1:28

precedent, they've ruined civilizations. They tell

1:30

me that there's UFOs, and part of me is just

1:32

like, I don't fucking

1:34

believe you. Yeah. You

1:37

know what I mean? Yeah, I know. I

1:39

mean, you know

1:42

what bothers me about the whole camp? It's nobody,

1:44

none of these camps like talk to each other.

1:47

Right. It's my camp

1:49

knows everything. Isn't that always the case though? That's

1:51

the case in the military often, right? I was

1:53

going to compare it to Special Officer. That

1:57

guy doesn't know shit. I know that's... That's

2:00

kind of how when I was really young I was

2:02

like 24. I was dating this girl that was She

2:06

did something in government, and she was explaining to

2:08

me, so this is pre

2:10

internet ish you know like people didn't have the

2:13

internet then it's like early

2:16

90s right and she said that she

2:18

she one of her jobs was to

2:21

Make sure that information that the

2:23

the Navy had received would be

2:25

available to the Army So

2:28

like you have to make sure people aren't running

2:30

redundant tests like we already did this we'll get

2:32

you this information so there was like

2:34

some sort of a database in like

2:36

these computer terminals where she could share information

2:38

and She

2:41

had some sort of top clearance and

2:45

One day like just fucking

2:47

around she

2:49

wrote little green men in

2:51

in the search function and Her

2:55

computer got shut down and then people visited

2:57

her and they asked her like what are

2:59

you doing? Like why did you

3:01

why'd you look this up like what is

3:03

this all about and I think she wound

3:06

up either getting fired Or transferred to some

3:08

other position or lost whatever clearance that she

3:10

had Interesting but not

3:12

heard that one when I was

3:14

young I was like whoa aliens were real But

3:16

as an older man now looking back on I

3:18

go well Maybe what she was doing was inappropriate

3:20

for her job Like maybe what

3:22

she was doing was demonstrating that she couldn't

3:24

be trusted because she's doing something That's not there

3:27

was no request to look up little green men

3:29

Yeah, it was like she did it on

3:31

her own like this a hundred percent factual

3:33

hard to tell you know I sell it's a

3:35

girl. I dated. I don't I don't really

3:37

know. Oh you dated. Yeah dated

3:39

her yeah This is yeah,

3:42

like like I said early 90s.

3:44

I was living in New York I had actually dated

3:46

her in Boston that we met up again in New

3:48

York a couple years later So

3:50

she was telling me about her job, and then she was

3:52

telling me like check this out I

3:55

shouldn't be telling you this but part you could back then I

3:58

was all in on UFOs. I was like wow I thought it

4:00

was real. But as

4:02

an older man, I look back and go,

4:04

well, if you have some kid, you know,

4:07

she was basically my age, she's

4:09

probably 24 as well, and

4:11

you're having this kid work

4:13

in these terminals that has access to

4:16

top secret information and they have clearance,

4:18

I would say, hey, maybe you shouldn't be just

4:21

looking up shit randomly. Yeah. You know, like we

4:23

can't have this kid, we can't trust this kid.

4:25

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4:28

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Whatever security clearance level, I mean

8:07

there's whatever. I didn't

8:10

get that high up, but I've not

8:12

seen like a database where you can

8:14

just look anything up like, oh shit,

8:16

who killed, who killed up JFK? Let's

8:18

look that up real quick. You know,

8:20

it's, it's, it's. Well,

8:22

you know what Trump said about that one, right?

8:24

What did he say? Trump said that if they

8:26

showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't want

8:29

to release it Oh yeah, yeah, I did hear

8:31

that. Crazy. What a crazy thing to

8:33

say. Yeah. That can only mean

8:35

one thing in my eyes. Yeah, we did it.

8:37

Yeah. The only, the only thing that makes any

8:39

sense is the United States did it. I

8:43

mean, more and more just keeps unraveling. You

8:45

know, Tucker just comes out and says it

8:47

openly. He just says it openly. Yeah. CIA

8:49

killed Kennedy. He

8:52

has a crazy laugh. I

8:55

don't, you know, I don't know who could actually say it other

8:57

than the people that have read those papers and you

9:00

know, who knows

9:02

what they would, you know, the, the, the

9:04

president is basically a part time employee, not

9:06

a part time employee, but a part, a

9:08

short term employee. You know, if you've got

9:10

a long running business and for some

9:12

technicality every now and then you have to bring

9:15

in some fucking CEO and he does a four

9:17

year term and then hopefully he could finagle it.

9:19

So he gets another four year term if he's

9:21

playing by the rules and you

9:23

just bring them in and you're going to put

9:25

it. Yeah. Why would you tell that guy who

9:28

killed Kennedy? Yeah. Yeah. They

9:30

hid shit from him all the time, which

9:33

is totally illegal. What do you, what do

9:35

you think about RF case, you know,

9:38

possibly getting in to investigate all that?

9:41

I think it would be one of

9:43

the best things for the health of

9:45

the people in the United States. If

9:48

you really care about health, I

9:50

think there's a lot of us and it was

9:52

me at one point in time and I've gotten

9:54

more educated about it. A lot of us are

9:57

very ignorant about what we're doing to our bodies

9:59

with food and medications and I don't

10:01

think we're being told the truth

10:03

and I think there's a reason

10:05

why other countries, multiple

10:07

other countries have banned food

10:10

elements, food ingredients that

10:12

we use all the time, these

10:14

red dyes, all these different things. And

10:16

this was all, there was just a

10:18

recent thing that they did. Who

10:20

was involved in that? Brigham testified in that? They

10:24

had all these health experts testify and they were

10:27

all hammering this point over and over again. They

10:29

were talking about the food additives, they

10:32

were talking about glyphosate and how fucking

10:34

dangerous glyphosate is and like an enormous

10:36

percentage of people show traces of glyphosate

10:38

in their blood. We're getting it through

10:40

all kinds of vegetables. It's ubiquitously sprayed

10:43

on monocrop agriculture crops. We're all just

10:45

consuming these poisons. There's no reason to

10:47

have fluoride in the water. There's fucking

10:49

no reason. We've been putting fluoride in

10:52

the water. Keep your teeth closed. You

10:54

don't want cavities. It doesn't

10:56

make any sense. And we've been doing it

10:58

forever. And there's no reason to

11:00

do it. And there's like real data that shows that

11:02

high levels of fluoride in water lowers IQ. The

11:05

higher the fluoride is in water in

11:07

certain areas, they can see a measurable

11:09

dip in people's IQs. Wow. I

11:12

didn't know that. Have you messed around with

11:14

the, have you heard of the YUCA app?

11:17

No. Dude, you got to get

11:19

the YUCA app. What is it? So

11:21

you basically scan anything like

11:24

food related. It's Y-U-K-A. I think

11:26

it's Y-U-C-A. There it is. Oh,

11:29

nice. Y-U-K-A. So

11:31

shout out to Yuka. There

11:33

it is. See,

11:36

like Honey Nut, it's so, it'll tell you

11:38

the additives in there. Contains

11:41

additives to avoid sugar too.

11:44

It'll tell you all the chemicals and

11:47

what the chemicals do to you. Ah,

11:49

that's genius. Yeah, it's pretty good. What a great

11:52

ad. No ads. We just did an

11:54

ad for them. Good for them. Good

11:56

for them though, but that's what people need. I

11:59

think if I... RFK gets into office,

12:01

he will expose a lot of this stuff, just

12:03

like he did when he was an environmental attorney.

12:05

People think of him as just the vaccine kook. Listen,

12:08

you gotta look at that guy's, the

12:10

history of that guy's work has

12:13

all been about protecting people from

12:15

corporations that are poisoning them. That's

12:18

literally what that guy did, his whole career. And

12:20

if he can do that with health, particularly

12:22

with things that we can avoid, look, one of

12:24

the things they demonstrated is that Lucky Charms has

12:27

sold in the United States, they don't sell the

12:29

same one in Canada. In Canada,

12:31

the dyes that we use to make it all

12:33

pretty and exciting for kids, they don't allow that

12:35

because it's fucking toxic. So we

12:37

allow it, which means someone's corrupt. Someone's

12:40

corrupt. Probably the whole system, maybe. Probably

12:43

the whole system is heavily

12:45

influenced, at the very least,

12:48

forget about bribery. Let's not

12:50

even say bribery. Heavily

12:52

influenced by

12:55

relationships that

12:57

these people have with CEOs

12:59

in these corporations and the boards

13:02

of executives, and this weird little

13:04

revolving door between the FDA and

13:06

the CDC and all these different

13:09

organizations, and then they get, they

13:11

leave, and then they get this

13:13

amazing job working for some huge

13:16

corporation that they were helping regulate

13:18

just a few years ago. It's

13:21

the most transparent thing. It should be,

13:23

if insider trading is illegal, how's that

13:25

legal? Good point. I mean, does FDA

13:27

approval even mean anything to you? Not

13:30

to me. It doesn't to me, but it

13:32

took a long time before I got to

13:35

that. It took a long time before I

13:37

really understood, like, why do we think that

13:39

saturated fat is bad? Oh, it was a

13:41

lie by the sugar companies. Okay, why do

13:43

people tell you that vitamin supplementation doesn't really

13:45

help and you just need a balanced diet?

13:47

Oh, because doctors don't know jack shit about

13:49

nutrition, and that you're going to a guy

13:52

who literally knows less than you because he

13:54

went to medical school for how to fix

13:56

knees or whatever the fuck he specialized in,

13:58

and you're taking this guy's advice. And

14:00

he doesn't know anything about nutrition. He's not

14:02

read any peer-reviewed data that guy is just

14:04

trying to keep up He's

14:07

got fucking bills piling in and he's

14:09

bringing people and shuffling them through the

14:11

office and he's worried about his You

14:14

have insurance in case you you fuck up

14:16

Malpractice insurance and you have to pay your

14:18

medical school bills and those guys are barely

14:20

getting but they're floating They're trying to just

14:22

run people through their office as fast as

14:25

they can. Does it does it bother you

14:27

if? There's some

14:29

type of I don't know some type of a new Does

14:33

it bother you if it's not FDA approved at all

14:35

if it's new like nobody's looked into

14:37

it Well, I wouldn't dig

14:39

anything. No one's looked especially a drug. Yeah,

14:41

it's just like give it some time kids

14:45

Give it some time I mean how many

14:47

times do they have to pull drugs before

14:49

people like what is the percentage of drugs

14:51

that the FDA approves and Then pulls I

14:54

believe it's 25% is I have no idea I

14:57

think it's 25% see if that's true The

15:00

so this is the ones that they approve and then

15:02

eventually they find out this stuff is terrible for you

15:04

And then they pull it. Yeah, I think it's 25%

15:08

Which you know, what does it say? one-third

15:12

off According to 2017 study

15:15

which is probably worse now about one-third of

15:17

drugs approved by the FDA within a 10-year

15:19

period receive alerts warnings Or recalls in the

15:21

years following their approval That's

15:24

fucking bananas. Give it some time

15:26

kids. Yeah Also,

15:30

have you seen the

15:32

Stephen Crowder undercover thing he did with

15:34

that covid czar in New York now

15:36

We've seen that Jamie go to his

15:39

page and find the most recent one

15:41

because the most recent one is Fascinating

15:43

because the most recent one this guy

15:45

is openly talking about how monkey pox

15:48

is not really a threat But they're

15:50

trying to present it as a threat

15:52

so they could sell this medication They're

15:55

talking about pushing this man. This guy's

15:57

openly talking about monkey pox

15:59

is really just gay guys get it from unprotected what

16:02

let's let it yeah is

16:04

it on

16:07

his Instagram go to it I'll show you which one it is

16:12

yeah that's it is

16:15

it no no

16:17

no no no that's not it that's not it

16:19

that's because that's the one where he's talking about

16:21

how he shut the the city down there's

16:24

a recent one no I know maybe

16:28

it's somewhere else let me scroll down a little

16:30

bit see if you can

16:32

find the one see that one right there that's that

16:34

kind of that's kind of yellow it's yellow there but

16:37

which one there's got to be one where he's talking

16:39

about monkeypox because

16:43

that was the one I was watching today that's

16:47

that's not because that's all about shutting

16:50

the schools down god

16:52

damn it we got to find it okay just

16:55

find it and get to us because I I

16:57

know we I might have watched it on X I probably

17:00

thought I'm saying X now yeah good

17:02

for you politically right like when I

17:04

call a transgender person a girl she

17:07

like Lee like that how I did that said she

17:11

talking to him directly no

17:15

no that's on it that's that's Crowder confronting him

17:17

when he's that guy's fired now the guy's fuck

17:20

but the monkeypox one god damn it I know I

17:22

saved it if you want I can find it I

17:24

saved it on my phone because I was like this

17:26

is just so bonkers that these

17:28

people are having conversations in public and

17:30

openly admitting that they're trying to push

17:32

people into taking drugs it don't even

17:34

work really interesting this is gonna be

17:44

a problem I'm not gonna find it if you see if

17:46

just see if you could find it it's got to be

17:48

out there because I watched it this morning did

17:52

you go monkeypox nothing it's

17:55

gonna be in one of these links I just have to oh

17:57

wait out hold up back

17:59

up Back up that was right there right

18:02

above that dr. J Varna, okay This

18:05

is it So

18:09

is it because The

18:11

New York Post doesn't show it that's okay We could just read

18:14

what it says because it's kind of interesting We

18:16

don't have to hear him say it but Stephen Crowder's

18:19

kind of decided to do this James O'Keefe type

18:21

deal and I don't

18:23

know how they do that. It's pretty wizardry. Yeah,

18:25

you know generally I think you get like a

18:27

gay guy who likes to talk It's

18:31

a man some dude who can sit down with this

18:33

guy and get him a little tipsy that seems to

18:35

be having gay guys like to spill the beans He

18:40

previously served senior health advisor to then mayor bill

18:42

de Blasio tasked with

18:44

running Big Apple's pandemic response Okay,

18:47

so he was talking about the approval

18:49

process while discuss it discussing SIG

18:51

a technologies techno

18:54

viral Viromant or T

18:57

pox drug. So this is the drug for

18:59

monkey pox See

19:02

it so that's why spinning it in the

19:04

media is helpful We want the FDA to

19:06

prove our drug specifically for monkey pox and

19:08

right now It's only considered experimental and they

19:11

won't approve it He said in the US

19:13

T pox is not approved by the FDA

19:15

for treatment of m pox But could be

19:17

used to treat patients as part of a

19:20

clinical trial known as the study of techno

19:22

Viromat for human m pox virus

19:25

according to signal technologies the company's

19:27

website added that the stomp trial

19:29

is being conducted to Evaluate the

19:31

efficacy of T pox for the

19:34

treatment of m pox Varna

19:36

then griped at the video film on August

19:38

14th that his then employer is stuck with

19:40

our drug But the people

19:42

aren't going to be as confident in it because

19:45

the data doesn't look as strong as it should

19:48

and so then later He starts talking about

19:50

the stock prices So

19:52

he says sometimes you do a study and this

19:54

fucking nothing works at all or people get really

19:56

sick from it He said in the covert recording

19:58

the problem is if you do another study

20:00

it'll take a year or two to do it because

20:02

you have to get the ethics approval, you got to

20:04

get the money, you got to get the patients to

20:06

come in. In the videos, Varma

20:08

then gloated about how he knows

20:10

the reporters well and referenced a

20:12

September interview with New York Times

20:14

on MPOCs, which touted the T-POCs

20:16

as a drug used to treat

20:18

MPOCs infection. He also described the

20:21

World Health Organization's emergency authorization process

20:23

before explaining how he wants the

20:25

media to report on T-POCs. So

20:27

he was talking, one of the things

20:29

in the video, he was talking about stock prices. So

20:32

they're talking about making it look like these drugs

20:35

do better than they do, getting people to prescribe

20:38

them. Okay,

20:41

hold on, start. Okay, so

20:44

basically we're trying to get the media to say

20:46

is, oh, the drug didn't work because it was

20:48

designed the wrong way, so they're going to do

20:50

another study and it'll probably work. And in the

20:52

meantime, people just prescribe it as an emergency drug.

20:55

That's what we want the story to be. Which is

20:57

wild to say out loud. And

20:59

he said the risk of MPOCs spreading in the

21:01

US is very low and it's almost certainly going

21:03

to stay among gay men. Yeah,

21:06

so it's all just, it's

21:09

supposedly only,

21:12

I don't think in America, I

21:14

think four people have died from it. Which

21:17

is, you got to go hard. That's

21:19

it, huh? You got to go hard and

21:21

die from that. You quit right before they talked about the 10

21:23

person sex parties. Oh yeah, that

21:25

was another thing. That was when he

21:27

got busted for having parties during the

21:29

COVID lockdowns while he was encouraging the

21:31

lockdowns. Wow. You didn't hear

21:33

that part? No. Oh, so

21:36

he got, Crowder got him on camera

21:38

saying that he was doing Molly and

21:41

partying and saying, I

21:43

hope somebody doesn't see me doing

21:45

this because I could get

21:47

in real trouble because obviously I reinforced

21:51

the lockdowns. Wow. I

21:53

mean, surprising but not, you know.

21:56

Everybody's eyes have been opened up over the last few years.

21:58

At least people that are trying. to pay

22:00

attention to how nutty the people are

22:03

who actually run the show. Yeah, yeah

22:05

it's a lot

22:07

of people are, I mean it's crazy. It's

22:09

like everything you knew is just flipped upside

22:11

down. It's like a bunch

22:14

of actors are running it. That's what it's

22:16

like because that's what they're really like. What

22:18

politicians are like are like actors are not

22:20

quite good looking enough to get into movies

22:22

and television shows. They can't host entertainment tonight

22:25

but they can read off a teleprompter you know

22:27

and they can do a good, like look

22:29

Kamala Harris had one good read off

22:31

a teleprompter and she shot up in

22:34

the polls. That's

22:36

the power of just a performance

22:38

when you want to believe something.

22:40

You want to believe. I

22:42

mean I just I don't believe anything anymore you

22:44

know. Well I can't. I was

22:46

watching this these guys were breaking down you

22:48

know they can track cell phones they could

22:50

figure out like who cell phone was there

22:52

they can get metadata and they were talking

22:54

about these Kamala Harris rallies about how organized

22:57

there are these people are coming in on

22:59

buses and many of them have been to

23:01

multiple rallies and that when this

23:03

one this one local one like 80% of the

23:05

people came from somewhere else and

23:08

they were all bust in. How do they know

23:10

that? How do they know that? Well I'll send

23:12

this to Jamie because this one I actually have

23:14

but I think they know

23:16

it because of the day you could track

23:18

data on a phone now. Oh they're doing

23:20

the geo fencing stuff? I don't

23:23

know exactly how they do it but

23:25

they're doing something in which they can

23:27

tell when when your phone has been

23:29

in an area. Okay I found this

23:31

guy's I found I found

23:33

his the other video. Yeah

23:36

here I'll show it to you Jamie because it's

23:39

even gross you're hearing it come out of this

23:41

guy's mouth. There's an hour and a half video

23:43

on his YouTube channel that I think it's taken

23:45

from. Yeah but this is the clip I'm sending

23:47

the clip from Instagram for whatever reason. I don't

23:49

know if Instagram is hiding it I don't know

23:51

what's happening but they

23:54

wouldn't do that. No it's on his louder

23:56

with Crowder page that's why. Oh is that

23:58

what it is? Yeah okay. God,

24:01

I hate looking up things on my phone in the middle of

24:03

a fucking show, but sometimes you have to. So

24:06

these guys, what they were essentially

24:10

showing is that,

24:12

oh here it is, that it's

24:15

very organized and people are being busted. Is

24:19

that okay? Is that ethical? I mean maybe

24:22

just making it more convenient for them to

24:24

go to the Kamala Harris rally, nothing wrong

24:26

with that. But if you are organizing crowds,

24:28

like say if you do a

24:31

game show, like if you host a game show,

24:33

you know, Wheel of Fortune, hello ladies and gentlemen.

24:35

Those people are all paid. Most

24:37

of them, or sometimes you let fans do

24:39

it for like a very popular show, but

24:41

I have personally been on a lot of

24:43

shows where the audience is paid. So

24:46

it's basically like, like if you're filming

24:49

a sitcom, you can, nobody

24:51

knows what the sitcom is. There's

24:53

a company that you can hire and you pay

24:55

the audience to come in. And the people cheer,

24:57

they have an applause sign, everybody cheers, they laugh

25:00

when you tell them to laugh. Like there's a

25:02

guy in the audience that's like doing this to

25:04

them that the people at home don't see. So

25:07

it's just, it's all theater, right? So

25:10

they could do that same

25:13

strategy for a political rally

25:15

easily. If you're talking about all the

25:17

money that you're going to be in

25:20

control of when you are the president

25:22

of the United States, which

25:24

is a spectacular position, not just that, but

25:27

then all the money you're going to make

25:29

in appearances and forever, right? You're going to

25:31

do Goldman Sachs talks and make a half

25:33

a million dollars for no apparent reason.

25:37

There's so much money involved. You don't

25:39

think you would pay audiences to come

25:41

and cheer? That's cheap. Yeah.

25:44

That's cheap. I don't know. I don't, do

25:46

you think that's immoral? Well,

25:49

I think we have like very

25:51

loose rules on what you're allowed to

25:53

do and what you're not allowed to

25:55

do. Like there was a lot of

25:58

outrage because people were saying that ABC

26:00

somehow or another had gotten the subject

26:02

matter to Kamala and that they had

26:04

agreed to Kamala that they were not

26:06

going to ask her about her DA

26:09

record when she was in California and

26:12

that they were not going to talk about some other person

26:14

she was involved with that might be in trouble. And

26:17

they weren't going to fact check her. And

26:19

then they said they were only going to fact check

26:21

Donald Trump. Which is

26:24

what led to her saying quite a

26:26

few things that weren't true and no

26:28

one said anything about it particularly about

26:30

troops being deployed overseas. You

26:32

see that video where the troops are like what

26:34

the fuck are you talking about? I got a

26:38

really good friend of mine that's deployed overseas

26:42

right now. Down

26:44

to Kamala Harris. And yeah he's

26:46

sniping bad guys over in

26:49

Africa. Yeah how mad would he be if

26:51

he heard that? I mean

26:53

they're pissed. Oh I'm not in a war zone.

26:56

They're pissed. They should be pissed.

26:59

So this is from

27:01

an Instagram account. I don't know what

27:03

podcast this clip came from but

27:05

let's just play it. Rally

27:08

5003 mobile devices at Kamala Harris's rally

27:11

in Charlotte, North Carolina on Thursday afternoon

27:13

it appears over 3600 came

27:16

from Georgia mainly Atlanta Georgia and approximately

27:18

720 from Savannah Georgia. So

27:21

that's a North Carolina rally with almost

27:23

80% of the attendees being

27:26

from Georgia. After you do the math that's

27:28

only 600 or so

27:30

local people from North Carolina that attended.

27:33

That's all who shows up and you're planning to

27:35

what get 80 something million votes again? Something ain't

27:37

right. And then all these people

27:39

come from buses and it's kind of weird because

27:41

at the Trump events you don't really have like

27:43

organized buses like that. People just kind of show

27:45

up and park on their own but at the

27:47

Kamala rally there's just these lines of buses at

27:49

every event which is weird and a lot of

27:51

the people are also the same people that attend

27:53

multiple rallies. Can you read those tweets? Any of

27:55

the same ones from previous events because this guy's

27:57

tracking the cell phones I guess and he says.

28:00

90% have been to three plus rallies, 54% were

28:04

even at Arizona and Nevada rallies.

28:06

Now, it could be that she

28:08

is so popular that it's like

28:10

Swifties, they just follow her around.

28:13

Or it could be like, you know, the Grateful Dead was in the

28:15

1970s. Maybe

28:18

that's what's going on. Maybe she's just so amazing

28:20

all of a sudden. Maybe she

28:22

just, Stella got her groove, you know? Something

28:24

happened and she just kicked into gear and

28:26

now she's her best self. She's

28:29

going to be the president. Yay, let's go to these

28:31

rallies. I'm sure that's what's going on. Could be

28:33

that. It could be that. I

28:37

don't think it's really immoral. It's just

28:40

immoral. It's just a rally.

28:42

Well, everybody wants their

28:44

rally to be full. I mean, you know,

28:46

it's just, I don't, it's

28:48

a facade, man. Yeah. If you can do it for

28:51

a game show, you could do it for a political

28:53

event. I don't think

28:55

it's immoral. I think if they did give

28:57

her the questions and they really did, and

28:59

this is, someone signed an affidavit. See what's

29:01

going on with that. See what's the latest

29:03

with that, Jamie. So someone

29:05

signed an affidavit that was an ABC employee

29:08

that claims these things. And

29:11

it was very clear there was bias. It

29:13

was very clear that they were fact checking him

29:15

and not fact checking her. But

29:17

it was, you know, unfortunately, he doesn't

29:20

do himself any favors because he kind of

29:22

goes off the rails sometimes. They're eating dogs.

29:24

They're eating cats, which by the

29:26

way, they may very well be doing that. That's

29:29

a thing they do in Haiti sometimes. Sometimes

29:32

they sacrifice animals and, you know, they

29:34

have local rituals, religious

29:36

rituals that they do. I

29:38

mean, this has been going on for a long time

29:40

though. You know, sometimes the Kung Pao chicken is a

29:42

chicken. Right. You know? I

29:45

mean, that's a real thing. That's a real thing. And to try

29:47

to pretend that it's racist to say that, no, no, no, humans

29:50

sometimes will do things. But I do

29:52

think that this, it says that this started with a claim

29:54

that there was an affidavit, but I don't know

29:56

that it's ever been actually presented to anyone. Interesting.

30:00

Um didn't didn't

30:03

it get discussed on Twitter and

30:05

people were posting about the veracity

30:07

of it Who I

30:09

think he won't even put it on his

30:11

pillow. Who's no Colin rug. I know had

30:13

it on his Yeah,

30:18

I Think

30:20

it's probably gonna be hard to tell unless charged a

30:22

file Congress, but it doesn't say that it was I

30:24

don't said it made it to Congress That's

30:28

right bill Ackman was a guy who tweeted it didn't

30:31

know if the claim was accurate but shared it anyway Which

30:33

is what's fun? It's fun to do in

30:36

the internet Vance addressed the

30:38

supposed whistleblowers allegations with reporters saying

30:40

it should be a national scandal

30:42

if true Trump again mentioned

30:44

the whistleblower September 13th at a rally in

30:46

Las Vegas claiming that Harris had received the

30:48

debate questions in advance Fortunately, we

30:50

had a leaker or a whistleblower. I don't care

30:52

which I love that person statement

31:00

Representative Dan Mouser Muser muser and

31:02

Pennsylvania Senate Fox News interview that

31:04

he would try to bring in

31:06

ABC News and the whistleblower before

31:08

Congress To testify about the affidavit

31:11

Hmm said that the person who did it was

31:13

killed in a car crash and that seems to

31:15

be false Yeah, that was a

31:17

that was a rant amplified by Marjorie Taylor

31:19

Greene who also doesn't do herself any favors

31:22

I think they do stuff like that This is

31:24

this is my take on that when I saw

31:26

all these people tweeting that the guy died in

31:28

a car crash I was like that

31:30

might be a trap That one

31:32

might be a trap. Yeah, I think they

31:34

do stuff like that well, they'll throw out

31:37

a fake story and get people to share

31:39

it like You know without

31:41

looking into it at all and it turns out to

31:43

be complete horse shit And it makes the whole thing

31:45

look like horse shit now now. It looks like the

31:47

makes the affidavit. It's at least Connected

31:49

to horse shit. Yeah, you know what I

31:51

mean? I mean, it's a good tactic. Yeah

31:53

smart tactic They get a lot of

31:55

good tactics They're very organized, which

31:58

is really interesting and that's One of the

32:00

things about Trump is that he's so dominant

32:02

and he's so swing from the hip that

32:05

no one can kind of corral him. And

32:09

it seems like she's really open

32:11

to being coached. Some

32:13

of these speeches are very different than any speeches

32:15

she's ever given before. And you see

32:17

the difference between that and then like, did you see

32:20

the Oprah interview? No. She's

32:22

off the rails. Yeah. Off the rails. I

32:25

heard about it. End of fucking wine mom country again. Wow. But

32:28

Tim Dylan is the best. She's saying, like, she's saying gypsy

32:30

curses. What is she saying? Oh

32:33

man. It's

32:36

like when you get her off the rails

32:38

and she is, it's

32:40

kind of fucked up, right? Because

32:42

that's not the job. The job

32:44

is not being able

32:46

to sound cool in

32:49

an interview with Oprah. That's

32:51

not the job. But that's the most important part about

32:53

getting the job. I just want

32:55

to hear like, you know, how they're going to accomplish

32:57

all this stuff. You know,

32:59

they're going to do it once they get in, even

33:01

though they're already in. That seems to be the typical

33:03

response, right? Well, one thing that

33:06

you can see like really clearly

33:08

is there is a ferocious effort

33:10

to stop Donald Trump from becoming

33:12

president again that I've never seen

33:15

before. I've never seen, I've seen

33:17

tight races. I've seen people very

33:19

divided. You know, I've

33:22

seen it for years. There's always

33:24

been like a division between the Republicans

33:26

and Democrats in this country, but not

33:28

like this, not like

33:30

this, where the guy almost gets killed twice and

33:32

they don't even talk about it. It's

33:35

scary, man. It's not scary. It almost

33:37

gets killed twice. And the second one, they just brushed

33:39

it off. Like I don't even think the guy got

33:41

a shot off. Yeah. Like

33:43

the guy was set up at a golf course for

33:45

12 hours with

33:48

a bulletproof vest on an AK-47 and

33:50

was specifically there to kill Trump. And you

33:52

don't think that's crazy? I think it's crazy.

33:55

They didn't cover it either. I mean, it

33:57

barely got covered. Barely, barely in and out.

34:00

of the guy or the guy's son gets

34:02

arrested for child pornography. Which

34:05

is... Do you know have you looked into

34:07

the BlackRock commercial stuff at all? Is that

34:10

real? The one shooter was in the BlackRock

34:12

commercial that was the kid that tried to

34:14

kill Trump. Yeah. They said

34:16

that this guy was in a BlackRock commercial but

34:18

I heard that that's not true. It's bullshit. But

34:21

that could be another one that they just throw out there. Yeah right. You

34:24

throw one out there like that and then

34:26

people retweet it and those people look stupid

34:28

because you retweeted something dumb and then it

34:30

just it weakens the public's faith

34:32

in what you have to say about things.

34:35

And also makes the story look stupid. Like

34:38

that story about that whistleblower will forever be

34:40

connected to people retweeting the fact that he

34:42

died in a car accident even though he

34:45

didn't die in a car accident. So it's

34:47

always going to be shrouded in bullshit. Yeah.

34:50

Kind of genius. It is man. It's

34:54

a great way to discredit. Yeah. It's

34:57

a great way to get somebody elected. Yeah.

35:00

Good point. Good point. It's

35:02

just it's when you're seeing the manipulation just

35:05

in full bloom just marching down the street

35:07

in front of everybody and no one's freaking

35:09

out about it. That's what's really weird. What

35:11

do you think I mean have you thought

35:14

about who's behind all this

35:17

this assassination attempts you think they're lone wolves

35:19

or. Well was

35:22

it Matt Gaetz that was saying that

35:24

he's been informed that there's five different

35:26

kill teams looking for Trump in the

35:28

country right now. Somebody did just say

35:31

that. Two of them are domestic. Trump

35:34

said it. There's five

35:37

guys. They

35:39

think they're going to get me. They're not going to

35:41

get me. So

35:45

what's the quote? Big threats on

35:47

my life by Iran. The US military is

35:50

watching and waiting. Moves already been made by

35:52

Iran that didn't work out but they will

35:54

try again. Not a good situation for anyone.

35:56

I am surrounded by more men guns and

35:58

weapons than I have ever. seen before.

36:00

Thank you to Congress for unanimously

36:03

approving far more money to Secret

36:05

Service. Zero, no

36:07

votes. What?

36:09

Zero, no votes, strictly bipartisan.

36:11

Okay. Oh, I understand.

36:13

Zero, no votes. Like, no one voted against

36:16

it. Strictly bipartisan. Nice to see Republicans

36:18

and Democrats get together on something. An attack

36:20

on a former president is a death wish

36:22

for the attacker. Yeah,

36:26

it wasn't just him that was saying that

36:28

though. It was, I'm pretty sure it was

36:30

Matt Gates. I

36:34

know I have that saved too, if you want to. But,

36:37

so if there really are five different

36:39

kill teams in the

36:42

country looking for Trump right now, that's just

36:44

insane. I bet it should be hard to

36:46

find him, you know? I mean, he has

36:48

rallies, you know, giant rallies. Yeah. In New

36:50

York, there was 60,000 people. See,

36:53

that's the difference between the Kamala Harris-Rous. If that

36:56

guy's telling the truth, and

36:59

they really are just sort of manipulating

37:01

this and putting on theater, that's

37:03

a big difference between what's happening with Trump.

37:06

If he's, he got, organically, you got 60,000

37:08

people to come see him and freak out

37:10

in New York. It's

37:13

kind of, the media is a monster. It

37:15

really is. It is a, it's

37:18

such an obvious monster. Such a

37:20

deceptive, sneaky, propagandist

37:22

monster. It's, how

37:25

long do you think the media has left?

37:27

They'll be around. You think so? It

37:30

all depends on who gets into office, really. It

37:33

depends on, so

37:35

the real fear was when

37:37

they started getting their claws into Twitter.

37:40

The real fear was when the

37:42

government started suppressing accurate information and

37:44

Twitter let them do it. That

37:47

was scary close. So

37:49

Elon buys Twitter, releases the Twitter

37:51

files, Michael Schellenberger, Matt Taibbi,

37:54

and all those journalists, they all uncover

37:56

all these different aspects that's super

37:59

disturbing. and totally illegal and

38:02

they release everything. And

38:04

then Twitter becomes kind of crazy. Twitter

38:07

is wild now. It's

38:09

just totally wild, wild west, unregulated.

38:12

And then, what do you got, Jamie? This

38:16

is it? I got it. Yeah,

38:18

okay. One of the five known teams

38:20

hunting President Trump before Butler, Pennsylvania

38:23

attempt was Ukrainian. So this is

38:25

Matt Gaetz talking about this. But

38:28

I think that if that hadn't

38:31

happened, so if

38:33

all of social media

38:35

remained like staunch leftist

38:37

left wing, just

38:40

giving completely into whatever propaganda the

38:42

government wants to give them regarding

38:45

vaccines or Ukraine

38:47

or anything else with

38:49

no critical

38:52

arguments about it that are accepted.

38:54

Just anybody who doesn't

38:56

follow the narrative, especially people like,

38:59

they censored people from

39:01

Stanford and MIT. They

39:04

were trying to tell them to poll those

39:06

guys, like Jay Bhattacharya, all these doctors about

39:09

COVID. Yeah. Oh yeah, I did. I

39:11

did. Sensoring legitimate experts

39:13

in the field who aren't kooks,

39:15

guys like Peter McCullough, who's the

39:17

most published doctor in

39:19

his field of study in human history. And

39:22

they're like, no, no, you're a kook. And

39:25

we know now that that was not true

39:27

and he was correct. Now we all know,

39:29

right? All these years later, most

39:32

people kind of know what the fuck happened. Even

39:34

the people reluctant to admit they got duped. If

39:38

Elon does not come along and buy Twitter, I don't

39:40

know where we are right now. I really don't. Because

39:43

if they had the clamps on Twitter, and

39:46

they did the same thing with Twitter that they're

39:48

doing right now with other social media apps, it

39:50

would be fucking awful out there. And

39:55

Elon's been a blessing. He really has. I'm

39:57

sorry. It's a big one. I

40:00

mean, I don't think they're going

40:02

to be around that much longer. I

40:04

feel like that the media will die

40:06

with the baby boomer generation. I think

40:08

if Elon didn't buy Twitter, they would

40:10

have been fine. I really

40:12

do. Probably. The only thing that

40:14

fucks them up is YouTube, but they've got a clamp on

40:17

YouTube too. You know, YouTube is,

40:20

they're very restrictive in what you can talk

40:22

about, especially during the

40:24

pandemic. They would ban you

40:26

from YouTube for talking about things that

40:29

we know for a fact are true

40:31

now. We

40:34

deal with a lot of that. We deal with a lot

40:36

of it, right? I'll bet you did too. Oh yeah. Anybody

40:38

on YouTube, I mean, you have to like parse

40:40

your words. You know, like Jimmy

40:42

Dore, even when he's criticizing the vaccine, he said, but

40:45

you should take the vaccine because it's safe and effective.

40:47

He always has to say it, like to cover his

40:49

ass. Like it was a joke. Was it nice for

40:51

you to come off YouTube? Did

40:53

you enjoy that when it first happened? My

40:56

strategy was ... Was it a huge pain in the ass gone? No.

41:00

I don't pay attention to it. But my strategy was to become 10%

41:02

less famous. So when I

41:04

went over to Spotify, Spotify was going to give

41:06

me all this money and I was like, oh

41:08

great, just fucking be a little less famous too.

41:11

That'd be good. Like kind of like

41:13

go the Howard Stern route, kind of fade

41:16

off into the sunset. Yeah. Did it work?

41:19

No, it didn't work. Did I know? I

41:21

was going to get caught up in

41:23

this massive controversy, you know? But it

41:25

also, even before that,

41:27

this podcast was growing on Spotify

41:30

a little too quick. But

41:33

so there's no like extra pressure being

41:35

on YouTube, but there

41:38

is a pressure if you're relying on YouTube. If you're relying

41:40

on them. I guess I meant with the ... Because they'll

41:43

demonetize you. That's what I meant. I meant with like the

41:45

censorship stuff. I was wondering, you know ... You want to

41:47

hear something interesting? Yeah. We

41:49

got demonetized all the time. A lot of episodes

41:51

got demonetized. Still we announced that

41:53

we're going to go exclusive to Spotify. And

41:56

then from that moment out, there was like a

41:58

few months of a window. No kidding.

42:00

They never demonetized us. They just took all the

42:02

money. Like don't go, Joe. No, they didn't. No,

42:04

no, no. It wasn't that.

42:06

They wanted the money now. Interesting. So

42:10

what they're trying to do essentially is get you to fall

42:12

in line by getting you

42:14

to self-censor because it benefits

42:16

you financially. It's

42:20

a creepy form of censorship because

42:22

you do it to yourself and

42:25

it's kind of okay because you can't really

42:28

prove that they got you to not talk

42:30

about things you wanted to talk about and

42:32

they can't really prove that you've followed this

42:34

public narrative just because you want to keep

42:36

your job. I mean, I just...

42:41

You don't really bother me

42:43

is because we

42:46

both put a lot into this, you know, and what

42:48

bothers me it's like just tell me what you want

42:50

me to take out. What is it? I

42:53

don't even want to fucking tell you. I don't want

42:55

to talk to them. This is

42:57

how my feeling on the thing is. I don't think

43:00

they should be talking to people about what to put

43:02

in. I think if you're not doing anything illegal, if

43:04

you're not saying anything illegal or doing anything illegal, don't

43:07

take it off. Some

43:09

of it I totally with you. Some

43:12

of it I get, you know, like,

43:14

you know, pedophilia. 100%

43:17

illegal stuff. Even language, I mean, there's three-year-olds

43:19

out watching. I got a three-year-old kid, you

43:21

know, he's watching YouTube. Remember, they have YouTube

43:23

kids. YouTube kids is great. So I get

43:25

it when they like mark my shit with

43:27

18 plus, but

43:31

they won't tell me. You know, it's like, well, just

43:33

like I can't correct the fucking

43:35

problem if you don't tell me what it is.

43:38

Right. And I mean,

43:40

they just don't want to abide. They

43:43

don't want to box themselves in and

43:46

not be able to censor

43:49

somebody. Yeah, there's that. And there's no benefit

43:51

for them to tell you what you said

43:53

that was wrong. There's no

43:56

benefit. The good thing is to get you

43:58

to self-censor. That's the best. over

44:00

you, that's why they give you strikes. One

44:02

strike, two strikes, Sean you got three

44:05

strikes. You know, it's kind

44:07

of silly, it's weird. It's like, is this the

44:09

penal system or is this a goddamn social media

44:11

platform? It should be if

44:14

advertisers don't wanna advertise on that particular

44:16

content, okay, that seems easy to manage

44:18

guys and guess what? There'd be a

44:20

lot of advertisers that would be willing

44:22

to advertise on that content. You're just

44:24

not being creative enough with

44:27

your advertisement. If you're just treating it as

44:29

a business or are

44:31

you treating it as not

44:33

just a social media video

44:35

website but a way to

44:37

push and a way to

44:40

amplify a very specific message.

44:42

I mean, if you can control what comes

44:45

out of people's mouths and you can control what they

44:47

think. Yeah, and if you're making a

44:49

lot of money on YouTube and you're doing great, you're

44:51

like, wow, I've got a fucking real good life now.

44:54

And then all of a sudden YouTube comes along

44:56

and says, oh, you were talking about the vaccines, Sean.

44:59

Sean, we can't have COVID vaccine

45:01

misinformation on our platform. This is

45:03

gonna cost lives. And some platforms

45:05

make you do a reeducation thing

45:07

where you have to talk to

45:09

them and have conversations with them

45:11

about what you did that may

45:13

have been offensive or what you

45:15

did that may have violated the

45:17

terms and conditions that they have

45:19

for their community. Yeah, I

45:22

think we had to do that.

45:24

I think we did that. They've

45:26

been fucking creepy. That shit's fucking

45:28

creepy because you're dealing with some

45:30

fucking woke kid in Silicon Valley

45:32

who uptalks. And this person,

45:34

okay, what you're doing, Sean, right

45:37

now with your show, I know that

45:39

you don't think it's harmful, but it

45:41

really is. It really is. It's

45:44

truly harmful. It's truly

45:46

harmful, exposing government corruption. I

45:49

can tell. I can, it's real

45:51

harmful, all right. It's fucking

45:53

weird, man. It's weird, but I'd love

45:55

the fact that at least it exists.

45:58

And even though it's not perfect. Because I

46:01

don't think YouTube can be perfect because they're

46:03

managing at scale in order for them to

46:05

get all the pornography and the murder You

46:07

know cartels upload murder videos to YouTube like

46:09

they're constantly trying to put out fires You

46:12

imagine the amount of data that YouTube has to deal with

46:14

on a daily basis It kind

46:16

of behooves them to just get just fucking

46:18

give them strikes and threaten them Let's just

46:20

slow everything down like too much of this

46:23

getting us in trouble. We just want to

46:25

make a lot of money Yeah, I got

46:27

it. I get it. There's only one YouTube

46:29

It's kind of genius and it's

46:31

a perfect setup like the algorithm where it's constantly

46:34

Like recommending stuff that you're interested

46:36

in it's fucking great great time

46:38

waster, but it's also a

46:41

tool for Shaping narratives

46:44

and if only one narrative is

46:46

pushed out there and other narratives

46:48

will literally get you Demonetized

46:51

so you lose your ability to make a

46:53

living and then possibly get your whole channel

46:55

removed Which it did to many people they

46:57

just remove their whole channel Why

47:00

babe, where do you think this is gonna end? I think

47:03

it is that should be all that stuff we

47:05

talked about should be illegal that should stuff should

47:07

be covered in the First Amendment Demonetization

47:09

no because look if you want to

47:12

have standards where you say that The

47:16

advertisers that we have we have a

47:18

group of advertisers and they have requested

47:21

No shows where someone swears no

47:23

no shows where someone talks about

47:25

sex No shows where someone

47:27

talks about over drinking or anything like that.

47:29

They just have rules We don't want to

47:32

be associated with that that okay,

47:34

that's totally reasonable, but when you want to

47:36

like Stop a channel

47:38

from uploading a video because they're making

47:40

an argument that maybe the lab leak

47:43

hypothesis is legitimate And you're

47:45

pulling that off the air. Well

47:47

now what are you doing? If you're you're

47:49

deleting an episode that's accurate

47:52

about really dangerous

47:55

information dangerous information

47:57

not just to us but also to the

47:59

organizations that that paid for

48:01

these crazy gain of function research projects.

48:03

What the fuck are you doing and

48:06

what did you do? And

48:08

if you were talking about that on YouTube and

48:10

even expressing your

48:13

ability to just guess that

48:17

maybe it came from that area. Have you ever seen that

48:19

Jon Stewart interview where he was on the Colbert Show? Yeah.

48:22

Fucking amazing, right? Amazing. But even

48:24

that, Colbert's trying to stop him and just

48:27

saying maybe these people were

48:29

working on these fucking viruses, let one leak.

48:32

Maybe, that would get you removed from

48:34

YouTube. That's a violation

48:36

of the First Amendment, in my opinion. Yeah.

48:39

Because you should, especially some of these people

48:42

were very informed people. They

48:44

were biologists and they were talking about

48:46

the very specific design of this virus,

48:48

the faring cleavage sites and how it's

48:50

very different than anything you see from

48:52

a natural spillover. They were talking about

48:55

technical, very specific details and they were

48:57

getting banned. Brett Weinstein almost

48:59

lost his channel. He almost lost his,

49:01

yes. I didn't know that. Yes. I

49:03

didn't know that. We had to have him on, do an emergency

49:05

podcast and let people know what the fuck was going on. Damn.

49:08

They almost pulled his channel. Damn. He's

49:10

a biologist, a

49:13

brilliant one and he's talking about

49:15

real information. It's

49:17

scary, man. I mean, I don't

49:20

know, I think about it all the

49:22

time, obviously, in this industry. I

49:24

hope X turns out to be the new thing. I

49:28

don't think X is going anywhere. I think Elon knows how important it

49:30

is and he's got all the money in the world. I think

49:32

he'll keep that bitch running. And I think it's also getting attached to AI

49:34

now, which is gonna be an insane money maker. I

49:38

don't think X has any problems. I think X is, he's gonna grow it

49:40

into some sort of an all in one app. He'll

49:43

probably have cryptocurrency on it and private

49:45

messaging and phone calls. You'll be able

49:47

to shop on it and you'll be able to

49:49

shop on it and you'll be able to get a little bit

49:51

of money because you'll be able to shop

49:54

on it. That's what it's probably going to be, if

49:56

I had to guess. And I think

49:58

that for places like Rumble,

50:01

the more places like YouTube and

50:03

Facebook and all these other places, the more

50:06

they can find people and the more they

50:08

force people into these boxes and make people

50:10

toe the line if they want to make

50:12

any money off of advertising or if they

50:14

don't want to get their channel deleted, the

50:17

more companies like Rumble will emerge.

50:19

That's what I think. I think there's going to be just, right

50:22

now, Rumble's a hard sell for some folks

50:24

because they see it as like, oh, the

50:27

right wing fucking like a magga. I'm not

50:29

going to be a true social video. There's

50:32

a lot of people that have those prejudices, but you

50:35

know, Russell Brands on there, a lot of

50:37

people are on there. It's a good platform

50:39

and it's an important platform and we should

50:41

support it and want it to grow. We

50:43

should want them all to grow. Like Spotify's

50:45

got video now. We need more video because

50:48

audio is just not enough. It's

50:51

audio podcasts. You

50:53

want people to share things virally and

50:56

the virally stuff, it's all like Elon

50:58

Musk when you smoked a blunt on

51:00

my podcast. That's all video. You want

51:02

video of that. The

51:04

more we have platforms where that

51:06

stuff is just free, where you can just

51:08

say whatever you want, say whatever you think

51:10

about anything, which really X and Rumble are

51:12

the only places that I know of that

51:14

you could really do that right now. Have

51:17

you had any problem on audio at

51:19

all? No. Good. No.

51:23

Good. I haven't either. I

51:26

think it's probably because it's not as easily shared. That's

51:29

what's coming next. Yeah, probably. I mean, all

51:31

they would have to do is just put

51:33

images of you and images of me and

51:35

then have our audio and upload that as

51:37

a video. Then maybe they would

51:40

start coming after audio. Yeah. Yeah.

51:44

I mean, I hope, you know, I just

51:46

hope this shit starts to turn around. I

51:49

do too, but I don't think it turns around

51:51

if Karma Harris gets into office. I think they

51:53

clamp down more. I think the same stuff that

51:56

they were trying to do with Twitter, they'll try

51:58

to do with something else, with other things. They've

52:00

already openly discussed it. You

52:03

know, she's openly discussed that the same rules have

52:05

to apply to Facebook, they have to apply to

52:07

Twitter, and that Elon Musk could lose his privileges.

52:09

And like, there's so many wild things that

52:11

they're saying. Tim Wall said

52:14

that the First Amendment doesn't apply

52:16

to misinformation or hate speech. Okay,

52:19

well, it certainly does. It does. You

52:21

know, sometimes people say things wrong. And the goal

52:23

of the First Amendment is you say something wrong,

52:26

and then this guy who's an expert says the

52:28

right thing. Yeah. You correct them. Yeah,

52:31

I mean, the misinformation,

52:33

it's all opinion. Right. Well,

52:35

so much of it turns out to be true. How about masks don't

52:37

work? You would get screamed at for

52:39

masks don't work. Well, guess what? They don't

52:42

fucking work. They don't work. I

52:44

remember. Fauci said masks don't work.

52:46

Remember that interview before the pandemic, before they knew

52:48

how big it was going to be? Yes.

52:51

He was like, you don't have to wear a mask.

52:53

Then it was wear two. Then it was wear doubles.

52:55

Put two-face diapers on. It's bananas

52:57

how easily people fell in line. That

52:59

scared me the most. I know.

53:02

It was, I mean, it's like, what

53:05

are you doing? There's

53:08

nothing they won't do. There's

53:11

nothing they won't do. There's a lot of cowards

53:13

out there. There's a lot of people that have

53:15

never been pushed, and they don't know what to do when they

53:17

get nervous. And they're out there

53:19

voting. Do you think

53:21

they're cowards, or do you

53:23

think they're

53:25

just lazy and they like

53:28

being told what to do? There's both.

53:30

It takes all the decisions out of

53:32

their day. There's both. But there's also

53:34

people that are scared of a negative

53:36

response, so they say what everybody wants

53:38

them to say. Somebody

53:41

described this really very eloquently, and I saved it

53:43

on my phone because I was like, this guy

53:45

nailed it. But essentially they were saying, especially

53:48

with beta males, they

53:50

don't say something because they have

53:52

an opinion and they really want

53:54

to express that opinion. They say

53:56

something and they consider, am

53:58

I going to get in trouble if I... I say this." And

54:01

then if that's the case, they don't. And

54:05

am I going to get in trouble if I

54:07

agree with them and probably not because right wing

54:09

people don't really go after you the same way

54:11

left wing people do? Like if

54:13

you want to talk about a woman's right to choose. If

54:16

you want to say, I agree with a woman's right to choose, but

54:18

like Bill Burr's bit, you ever see that bit? And

54:20

he goes, I think I agree with a woman's

54:22

right to choose, but I also think you're killing

54:24

a baby. You know, it's kind

54:27

of a crazy bit. Because it's really funny

54:29

because he's brilliant, but it's just

54:31

that's really what it is. I mean, that's

54:33

the truth. That is what it is. It

54:35

is what it is. I mean, factually, that

54:38

is what it is. And this is coming

54:40

from someone who's pro-choice. But

54:42

I think that if

54:46

you look at all the things that they

54:48

have that distract us, all the

54:50

different things that are in the news

54:52

constantly, whether it's the Diddy Raid or

54:54

fucking J.Lo and Ben Affleck are breaking

54:57

up and you're just getting force

54:59

fed all kinds of

55:01

shit while the border is wide open,

55:04

while they have apps where people can

55:06

get flights. The BP1 app. What

55:09

the fuck? Yeah. That sounds

55:11

like the crazy, you know, I

55:13

had Chamath on. Do you know Chamath?

55:15

I don't want to mispronounce his last

55:17

name. I'll fuck it up. Brilliant, brilliant

55:19

guy. And we were talking about how

55:21

hard it was for his family to

55:23

legally immigrate into this country and how

55:25

difficult it was to get a visa.

55:28

And I mean, this is a brilliant

55:30

guy. He started Facebook. You know, he's

55:32

one of the original guys at Facebook.

55:34

And he's this guy

55:37

who did it the right way.

55:39

And every step of the way, there was this

55:41

tremendous anxiety when he would go to get his

55:43

visa renewed because he didn't know if he was

55:45

going to get kicked out of the country because

55:47

someone could arbitrarily go, no, not good enough. Because

55:49

he had to prove to be here that he

55:51

has skills that an American doesn't have. He's

55:54

a real expert in something. You

55:57

know, I went down to the

55:59

border. I think it was about two two

56:02

years ago ish maybe a little longer and Went

56:05

down with Ed Calderon and

56:08

I love it. Yeah, what a great guy great guy.

56:10

I've had him out a couple times Yeah, that's well.

56:12

That's where I found him. So thank you But

56:16

so now I went down to TJ

56:18

with them and this was

56:20

this was like before it

56:22

really really hit this hit the news

56:24

cycle and We walked

56:27

into a migrant camp. There's probably a couple

56:29

thousand migrants there and so

56:31

I yanked one of them out and interviewed him and

56:35

You know used Ed to help translate and

56:37

I Mean the guy's

56:40

been sitting there for like I think he was there

56:42

with his wife and kids for like two years and

56:45

I I was like, why don't you

56:47

just like? Go

56:49

across dude. It's I mean, it's an honest question

56:51

like why don't you just go across? He said

56:53

he wanted to do it the right way Wow,

56:55

you know, he's like now he's like I just

56:58

want to do it the right way Oh my

57:00

god, he's running around with this little battery

57:02

pack charging cell phones for 50 cents

57:05

you know and I'm like I'm just

57:08

like fuck it. Hey, man, like why don't like why

57:10

don't they just? Because

57:12

I don't nobody's Anti-immigration

57:14

no not that I know of and it's

57:16

no where I can't see yeah Why

57:20

don't you just unfuck the immigration

57:22

process and maybe we can get

57:24

some more people in here quicker?

57:27

Legally if you do

57:29

that and then we actually know who's coming

57:31

in and we have documentation of who they

57:33

are and wouldn't that be nice Yeah, you

57:35

know, meanwhile, that's racist. Yeah

57:39

Yeah And they want

57:41

them to vote which is even crazier and they're pumping

57:43

them out into swing states. It's so transparent It's

57:46

it's happening right in front of everybody's face and

57:49

it's it's a wild grab for power

57:51

and The

57:54

only people talking about are people like us which

57:56

is really crazy They're the only people

57:58

that are talking about it are people that aren't really connected

58:00

to some sort of Executive corporation a

58:02

bunch of producers bunch of people telling

58:04

you what to do. Yeah I

58:07

mean, this is not even something that

58:09

you know that right-wing news wants to

58:11

discuss good point good point I mean

58:14

if you if you have you done

58:16

any digging on who's coming across there

58:18

and yeah It's I

58:20

talked to Phil about it. Dr. Phil did

58:22

this big investigation, you know, he's got that

58:24

He's got his own network now merit media

58:27

It's gotten so bad that dr. Phil decided

58:29

he has to start a network for news

58:31

good for him, man He's great guy good

58:33

for him great guy, but you know, he

58:35

was essentially, you know Talking about

58:37

how this they

58:39

really don't know how many people that are coming

58:41

through that are criminals They're dropping off their their

58:43

IDs on the Mexican side. They just get rid

58:46

of their IDs so that when they cross over

58:48

They have nothing on them. You don't

58:50

know who they are. You don't know what they've done gang

58:52

members cartel members guys escaping Venezuelan prisons. No

58:54

one knows. Yeah, all you have to do

58:56

is get over here and we'll give you

58:58

an EBT card We'll set you up go

59:00

to New York City that put you in

59:02

a nice hotel to give you free food

59:04

I mean while these poor people in Chicago

59:06

that are like, what about us? What about American

59:09

citizens that pay tax dollars? You guys don't give

59:11

a fuck about us. You didn't you haven't

59:13

done anything for us. Why because they know those

59:15

people gonna vote Democrat They

59:17

know they already got them. They already got them.

59:20

We've got those people statistically. They look at

59:22

the numbers like statistically This has gone blue. We're

59:24

fine. Yeah, we're good. Let's just let's let's

59:26

just get some people in them swing states and

59:29

It's fucking scary man. I mean I've been I've been

59:31

diving into the border shit for quite a while and

59:33

and ever since

59:36

this Afghanistan withdraw that like I

59:39

mean that was like a big I Mean

59:42

I was just fucking did you talk to Tim about

59:44

that Tim Kennedy when you had him on a little

59:46

bit a little bit Dude,

59:49

he told me some shit He

59:52

told me some shit they just You

59:55

can't imagine like that guy saw so

59:57

much overseas and he said the worst

59:59

thing He ever saw was the the

1:00:02

Afghanistan pullout dude. I've you

1:00:04

know who Tyler Andrew Vargas is no

1:00:06

That's the that's the one Marine that

1:00:08

survived that big explode that suicide bombing

1:00:10

at Abigail Abigail was killed 13 Marines.

1:00:12

Yeah, and So

1:00:17

I called him well, everybody wanted to become on

1:00:19

the show and I was like I'm never gonna

1:00:21

get this fucking guy like all the media everybody

1:00:24

wants them and I Was

1:00:26

like alright fine. I'll reach out. So hit

1:00:29

him on hit him on the on the gram

1:00:31

and Messaged

1:00:33

right back and he got in and he's like man.

1:00:35

He's like I'm so

1:00:37

glad that you reached out to

1:00:39

me He's like I was literally just praying

1:00:42

with my fiance that you would reach out

1:00:44

cuz Wow He had just did an ABC.

1:00:46

Good morning America interview interviewed for seven hours

1:00:49

They released five seconds of that

1:00:51

interview because it made the administration

1:00:53

look so fucking bad They would

1:00:55

they wouldn't Eric so I

1:00:58

got him on kept getting dinged, you know

1:01:00

by YouTube They didn't like they didn't like

1:01:02

the the real footage It

1:01:04

was which was actually like from his cell phone

1:01:06

that we put we do previews and shit, but

1:01:10

man like to have like his, you know

1:01:13

testimony about what happened that day and

1:01:16

and and

1:01:19

then the the care that Afterwards

1:01:22

which was a fucking atrocious, you know

1:01:24

guy. I watched this guy

1:01:26

my studio is on the second story and I

1:01:30

watch it, you know, 23 year old kid Hobble

1:01:33

up those fucking stairs with one

1:01:36

leg one arm All

1:01:39

kinds of shit going on as intestine. I mean, I just

1:01:41

I was like Man this

1:01:43

didn't even have to happen. They had the guy

1:01:45

they had the fucking guy in

1:01:47

the sights. They could have killed him and You

1:01:51

know nobody Nobody

1:01:54

gave him permission just you know, maybe

1:01:56

they I mean I

1:01:58

can't backseat quarterback it but but maybe they

1:02:01

shouldn't have asked, just eliminated him. Jesus Christ.

1:02:03

But I mean, he's talking about, before

1:02:06

we got into the actual incident, he was talking

1:02:08

about, moms

1:02:12

trying to throw their babies over

1:02:14

the wall and getting caught up

1:02:16

in razor wire and

1:02:18

just seeing a fucking baby dangle there by

1:02:20

the leg. And

1:02:24

there's no repercussions for how that

1:02:26

went down. The media just wants

1:02:29

to fucking cover it up.

1:02:31

And so I started digging deep

1:02:33

and I teamed up with the

1:02:35

former CA target, Sarah Adams, and

1:02:39

then a really good friend of mine, Scott Mann. We

1:02:42

went over to Vienna to

1:02:44

interview this guy, Ahmad Masoud, who's the

1:02:46

leader, the commander of the Northern Alliance

1:02:48

out there that's like the resistance that's

1:02:50

kind of fighting the Taliban. You

1:02:54

know, the Taliban pretty much took over

1:02:56

government in Afghanistan. I saw

1:02:58

the parade. Yeah. With

1:03:00

all our shit. With all our shit. That we

1:03:02

left there. Crazy. Yeah, man. So

1:03:04

we got a bunch of

1:03:06

intel from Masoud and you know,

1:03:09

like still kind of looping all

1:03:11

the way back around to the southern border. I mean,

1:03:14

so once Taliban took control

1:03:16

of all of our shit,

1:03:19

I mean, this could go on for a while, but

1:03:22

so now what they're doing is they have the, the

1:03:26

passport office over there, just

1:03:29

making legitimate passports to, now

1:03:33

there's 21 terrorist organizations over there

1:03:35

training. Hansa

1:03:38

Bin Laden, who we were told

1:03:40

was killed is actually fucking alive.

1:03:42

And he's marrying into all these

1:03:44

other terrorist networks. So he married

1:03:46

Mola Omar's daughter. He married,

1:03:49

who else? He married into all these

1:03:51

different terrorist networks. And so these guys

1:03:53

used to be like competitors just

1:03:55

like the UFO guys. They

1:03:58

all hate it. each other

1:04:00

but they all have the one common theme

1:04:02

like disclosure. These guys, the one common thing

1:04:04

is, you know, let's go take

1:04:06

over the Western world. So he

1:04:09

is basically Hansa Bin Laden is

1:04:12

married into all these terrorist organizations. Now

1:04:14

they all have one common goal to

1:04:16

come over to, you know, the

1:04:19

Western world and ruin our way of

1:04:21

life. And so what they're

1:04:23

doing is they're funneling as many of

1:04:25

these terrorists into the passport office, getting

1:04:27

them legitimate real passports

1:04:29

and then they sprinkle them, they

1:04:32

get them flights into all over

1:04:34

South Central America and then they

1:04:36

funnel them up through

1:04:39

the Darien Gap into

1:04:41

the US. And so, you know,

1:04:43

there is zero, I don't give a

1:04:46

fuck what the FBI or any of

1:04:48

these people are saying, they have, there

1:04:50

is zero way to track how

1:04:53

many of these fuckers have come in to

1:04:55

the US. And so, you know,

1:04:57

now what we're going to see is like October

1:05:00

7 style attacks like we just saw in

1:05:02

Israel and in the mall in Russia and

1:05:06

everybody's like, Oh, you know, there's well, why

1:05:08

is it happening? By design, by

1:05:12

design, like the leaving the border,

1:05:14

border porous, allowing these people

1:05:16

to come in. Absolutely. I think

1:05:18

it's by design. I mean, they basically told

1:05:20

border patrol, come in down, like do not

1:05:22

do your fucking job. We're going to blast

1:05:25

you. I mean, remember the guy on the

1:05:27

horse that they said was whipping people

1:05:29

and it wound up being like the reins of

1:05:32

the horse. I mean, yeah, I think

1:05:34

it's by design, you

1:05:37

know, from the government. But

1:05:39

I don't, I think that they're, look,

1:05:42

I think that the government is more incompetent

1:05:45

than it's ever been

1:05:47

before. And I think they

1:05:49

have one common goal and that I

1:05:51

think the goal is voting, you

1:05:53

know, they want them to vote. But I don't

1:05:55

think that they, I don't think

1:05:58

they're competent enough to realize the

1:06:01

death and destruction and the

1:06:03

other repercussions that we're going

1:06:05

to face by

1:06:08

keeping that border open.

1:06:10

Because they don't have anybody that

1:06:15

they don't have anybody with any experience that's that's

1:06:18

that they don't have any solid intelligence stuff

1:06:20

going on that's that's telling them like hey this

1:06:22

is what's going to happen it's all agenda

1:06:24

driven. Jesus Christ. Does that make sense? Yeah it

1:06:26

does make sense. It does make sense that

1:06:28

all they care about is voting is

1:06:30

get the people in don't worry

1:06:32

about the consequences but the more

1:06:34

insidious conspiracy would be that they

1:06:36

want unrest because it gives

1:06:39

them an opportunity to clamp down on rights. I

1:06:41

mean shit though they I mean unrest I mean

1:06:44

they got really good at unrest you

1:06:46

know what I mean in 2020 right

1:06:50

all through or even before 2020. Yeah. Up to

1:06:54

that election so I don't think

1:06:56

they need to import terrorism. Yeah but it's a

1:06:58

different kind of unrest. The kind of unrest that

1:07:01

you get from people blowing up

1:07:03

target is very different than

1:07:05

the kind of unrest you get from a

1:07:07

legitimate terror attack. Yeah yeah I

1:07:09

mean you know and then people

1:07:11

I mean do you ever think about why nothing's happened

1:07:14

you know like China if you

1:07:16

looked into the power grid at all. Yeah

1:07:18

dude it's not good lights out buddy.

1:07:21

It's so easy to kill. Yeah the

1:07:23

power grid so weak it's

1:07:25

so vulnerable it's really nuts. It's

1:07:28

nuts because anybody could target it. Yeah

1:07:31

well I mean China you know we have

1:07:33

those we have we

1:07:36

have you know we get those big trans

1:07:39

everything's imported from China and we have

1:07:41

these huge you know transformers you

1:07:43

could tell me shut up if you already know all the shit but

1:07:46

all of those transformers are imported from

1:07:49

China and they're not checked they're not

1:07:51

even they don't even fucking check them

1:07:53

for malware or Trojan horses

1:07:55

or anything and it would take I mean

1:07:58

these transformers it's not like little box outside

1:08:00

your house, you know, the green box. It's,

1:08:03

I mean, they have to take overpasses out

1:08:06

just to transport these things. So you're talking

1:08:08

years and I think the number was like

1:08:10

nine. If they took out

1:08:13

nine transformers, then the entire

1:08:16

US would be out of power. On

1:08:18

top of that, so then DOE,

1:08:21

Department of Energy, actually investigated

1:08:24

one because somebody was, it

1:08:28

got to DC that, whatever. They

1:08:30

decided to look into it and

1:08:32

they wouldn't fucking release the results. They

1:08:35

wouldn't fucking release the results. So,

1:08:39

you know, they're in our water treatment

1:08:41

plants, they're in our power grid. I've

1:08:43

been talking about this shit from years and then

1:08:46

cell phone towers, cell phone

1:08:48

towers, and then FBI

1:08:50

director Chris Ray comes out and says, oh yeah,

1:08:53

turns out our

1:08:56

grid's really vulnerable. China's in there

1:08:58

and they're also in our treatment plants,

1:09:00

which means they can fucking poison us.

1:09:02

Yeah, they in the own land around

1:09:04

military bases. Like, it's, if they are

1:09:06

on a long-term strategy, it's

1:09:09

very effective. They're doing a great job. Just

1:09:11

get, they undercut the competition to give us

1:09:13

cell phone towers and all sorts of things.

1:09:15

They position them around military bases. Mike Baker

1:09:17

was explaining all of it to me. Yeah.

1:09:19

And I'm like, this is, how

1:09:22

is this, how are they letting this go

1:09:24

through? Is it incompetence? Is it fools running

1:09:26

it? Is, are they corrupt? Like,

1:09:29

how did they do that? I

1:09:31

mean, one of the things that really fucked us, we

1:09:33

got away from manufacturing and we relied on all these

1:09:35

countries and we really found that out during COVID when

1:09:37

you couldn't get shipments. It was like,

1:09:40

whoa, wait a minute, how much of our

1:09:42

shit is made over there? Like everything? Like

1:09:44

how much medicine is made overseas? How many

1:09:46

different things that we need that we constantly

1:09:48

use, we don't even know how to make.

1:09:50

Yeah. A lot. Masks. You

1:09:54

see those purple, pulling the fucking masks

1:09:56

out. You know, I didn't wear

1:09:58

them very long, but I'd. Whatever I

1:10:00

fell for for about 30 days. Did I

1:10:03

was like this is fucking bullshit? Yeah,

1:10:06

you pull the mask out and and

1:10:08

I live out in the woods sudden, you know, but Yeah,

1:10:12

made in China. I'm like what didn't the thing

1:10:14

come? Yeah from the third they're making money

1:10:17

hand over fees, right? The

1:10:20

whole thing is not go us yeah, it's

1:10:22

nuts But getting away from manufacturing this country

1:10:25

really did not do this country any justice

1:10:27

It's just for corporations to save a little

1:10:29

bit of money and to push everything

1:10:31

off to third world countries to manufacture things

1:10:34

It's including our phones And I've said this

1:10:36

over and over again if Apple could make

1:10:38

an American made phone and charge me more

1:10:40

money I'll pay double for it. Yeah, charge

1:10:43

me a phone where I

1:10:45

know the people get union wages They

1:10:47

get health care they get paid correctly

1:10:50

They can live a good life and they work

1:10:52

normal hours They don't have to sleep in a

1:10:54

fucking bunk like they do in that Foxconn building

1:10:56

when they have nets all around the building You

1:10:58

keep people from jumping from the roofs. Yeah, you've

1:11:00

seen that shit, right? No,

1:11:03

actually I haven't seen that no

1:11:05

the Chinese factories where they make

1:11:07

iPhones are so fucked The people

1:11:09

are so distraught that they put

1:11:12

all these fencing with giant

1:11:14

nets All around the buildings

1:11:16

because so many people were jumping to their

1:11:19

death that they decided we'll just catch them

1:11:21

with nets Are you serious? Yeah, look at

1:11:23

this. Those are the nets. Those

1:11:25

are suicide nets all around the building Sorry,

1:11:27

buddy back to the assembly line. How crazy

1:11:29

is that? Damn that is fucked up man.

1:11:31

How crazy is that? Wow, instead of making

1:11:33

the conditions better where people don't Want

1:11:36

to kill themselves so often that you need

1:11:38

nets around a building they go nah nets

1:11:40

is fine. Fuck those people. Dude. It's I

1:11:42

mean it's straight Slavery.

1:11:45

Yeah, it's close to it. I

1:11:47

mean they don't really have any other options and

1:11:49

when you're getting a phone You

1:11:52

know and what's a phone like to?

1:11:56

1500 bucks. Is that what it is charge 2000? Yeah charge 2000

1:12:00

People pay it you most people are like putting on

1:12:02

a part of their bill to pay a little bit

1:12:04

of it off every day And you really don't need

1:12:06

to fucking switch phones every year like

1:12:08

everybody does, but you don't need to it's

1:12:11

stupid like I vote I have a iPhone

1:12:13

11 that I use sometimes like one of

1:12:15

my numbers fucking works great nothing wrong with

1:12:17

it Yeah, nothing wrong with it. Yeah, five-year-old

1:12:19

phone or four-year-old phone. Whatever the fuck it

1:12:21

is so You

1:12:24

could get a made-in-america phone and you

1:12:26

wouldn't feel like you're supporting this horrific

1:12:29

shit that everybody turns a blind eye

1:12:31

to Because that's the only

1:12:33

way you get that kind of stuff. You

1:12:35

know they they have them all made over there.

1:12:37

Yeah. Yeah, it's uh I Don't

1:12:41

think it's coming back but well

1:12:44

it could I mean there would have to be

1:12:46

a large concerted effort But the problem is it

1:12:48

took decades to go away. It'll probably take slightly

1:12:50

longer to come back You

1:12:52

know because there's got to be planning and

1:12:54

funding and people have to make long-term investments.

1:12:56

It's gonna be a big gamble Yeah,

1:12:59

but so I mean I'm sure

1:13:01

you've seen who killed rotten the the Where's

1:13:05

what is it Michael Moore's

1:13:08

documentary? The

1:13:12

Flint, Michigan one what is it called again Roger

1:13:14

me that's right. I want to say who killed Roger Rabbit

1:13:17

Oh Roger me,

1:13:19

but it's all about what happened to

1:13:21

Flint, Michigan once they pulled out auto

1:13:23

manufacturing and the the the entire Population

1:13:26

just those people who live in

1:13:28

check to check they were doing okay But they

1:13:30

they had jobs and then all sudden gone

1:13:33

every jobs gone. There's no jobs

1:13:35

There's nothing to do the entire

1:13:37

industry is gone and just people

1:13:39

went into dire poverty like horrific

1:13:41

dire poverty like Instantaneously

1:13:43

yeah, and just so a corporation could

1:13:46

make some more money. It's sad. It's

1:13:48

horrible. It's fucking horrible It's

1:13:51

horrible, and it's horrible that that's an

1:13:53

option that a corporation

1:13:55

would would decide

1:13:58

fuck this town What do you what do you think? it

1:14:00

would I mean you do you

1:14:02

think it's gonna come back or you think it could

1:14:04

come back it could come back I mean I'm

1:14:07

optimistic but honest

1:14:09

you know I try I try to look at

1:14:11

it honestly but also go I

1:14:13

think most people are good people I really

1:14:16

do I really believe that you

1:14:18

know even most these people that are walking in

1:14:20

from Guatemala I do it to 100% if

1:14:23

I was living in the middle of nowhere and

1:14:26

you told me hey America's letting people in

1:14:28

you get a landscaper job you make 20

1:14:30

bucks an hour but what yeah I would

1:14:32

100% walk why wouldn't you

1:14:35

why wouldn't you I think most people are

1:14:37

good people and they just want a better

1:14:39

life and I think

1:14:41

the more we unite under that

1:14:43

idea and stop buying into this

1:14:45

bullshit that like if either side

1:14:48

is correct that it's the end of

1:14:50

democracy I think I think we have

1:14:53

to like stop all that tribal nonsense

1:14:55

that's happening between the left and the

1:14:57

right because people are just subscribing to

1:14:59

ideologies and getting captured in them just

1:15:02

like a religious fervor like they think

1:15:04

that they they're they're doing the

1:15:07

only thing that could possibly be done

1:15:09

to save us all and that the

1:15:11

other side is a dire threat that's

1:15:13

why like something like 24% of

1:15:15

Americans think it would be a good thing if Donald

1:15:17

Trump got shot I just read that

1:15:20

fucking insane yeah fucking

1:15:22

insane that people would

1:15:25

think that violence

1:15:27

by an assassin would be a

1:15:29

good thing on a former president

1:15:32

like we're that fucked but

1:15:34

I think that that's just a lot of media

1:15:36

manipulation and a lot of fucking a lot

1:15:39

of people getting riled up and living in these

1:15:41

echo chambers and these bubbles but

1:15:43

I think ultimately at the core most people are

1:15:45

good people and I think if we had some

1:15:48

wins if some things like that

1:15:50

did start getting built and they stood

1:15:52

did start bringing back more American manufacturing and

1:15:54

people start getting excited about the idea

1:15:56

that America becomes a not

1:15:58

just a place of innovation and

1:16:01

art and creativity, but also like

1:16:03

we start manufacturing great shit again.

1:16:06

There's no reason why we don't do that. I

1:16:08

mean, I just, I don't feel

1:16:11

like technology is advancing. It's

1:16:13

such a rapid pace. I

1:16:17

mean, I feel like AI will take over, AI

1:16:20

and robots will take over

1:16:22

everything. Well, if AI and robots do that,

1:16:24

at least we can get AI and robots

1:16:26

to manufacture things in America. Yeah. No,

1:16:30

I'm with you. I just, I don't see,

1:16:32

I guess what I'm saying is

1:16:34

I don't see the union worker. I

1:16:37

don't see where their place really fits in. There's

1:16:40

going to be a lot less, that's for sure. It's

1:16:42

pretty much every job, every manual

1:16:44

labor job is under threat. I

1:16:47

think every job is under threat. I don't think podcasts.

1:16:49

What are you going to do, bitch? How

1:16:52

are you going to think like me? Good

1:16:55

luck, good luck. And comedy, you're always going

1:16:57

to have comedy. These

1:16:59

are in real trouble because AI can

1:17:01

write pretty fucking amazing scripts and the

1:17:03

CGI, the way they can crank out

1:17:05

video is bananas now. I mean,

1:17:07

it's bananas. It looks perfect and

1:17:10

it comes out like minutes instead of years.

1:17:13

Do you really think podcasting is safe from AI?

1:17:16

I don't know. Well, I know AI

1:17:18

is going to translate, so Spotify

1:17:21

is going to translate my show to

1:17:23

multiple different languages eventually. Nice. Once

1:17:26

they get the technology completely dialed in, but

1:17:28

they'll be able to do it in Spanish, German,

1:17:31

French, and you're going to be able to hear the

1:17:33

... It'll sound

1:17:35

like me, but speaking fluent French.

1:17:37

No kidding. Yeah. Are

1:17:40

you like the test bunny? I don't know. No,

1:17:43

they've done it already. Oh, cool. They've definitely

1:17:45

done it, but they're

1:17:47

going to be able to ... Once they have it completely

1:17:49

dialed in, where there's no glitch ... Because there's going

1:17:51

to be some weird glitches and context and cultural

1:17:54

things that aren't going to make sense if

1:17:56

you translate it. That'll be weird. get

1:18:00

it dialed in pretty good, it's

1:18:02

gonna, it'll be great for everybody. It'll

1:18:04

open up the world to like, I want to

1:18:06

know what these folks are saying in Russia, you

1:18:08

know? I'd like to listen to a

1:18:10

Russian podcast. Yeah. You know? I've

1:18:13

watched some Russian news things and seen the

1:18:15

teleprompter roll and it's like they're always mocking

1:18:17

us and making fun of us for having

1:18:19

78 genders and like they relentlessly

1:18:21

mock us in the news. I'm like, that's interesting.

1:18:24

Like this is how Russia looks in America. Yeah,

1:18:26

I think that would be great.

1:18:28

I mean, probably shouldn't be talking

1:18:30

about my word direction that

1:18:33

I'm gonna go, but fuck

1:18:35

it, whatever. That's what I want

1:18:37

to do. I want to start going and talking

1:18:39

to all these foreign dignitaries and getting a

1:18:42

different perspective on what

1:18:47

we're doing. I don't think we're the

1:18:49

good guys anymore. You know, I don't

1:18:51

agree with a lot of the

1:18:53

shit that I was involved in, you know, as

1:18:56

a SEAL or a CIA contractor. And

1:19:00

I mean, like BRICS, are you familiar

1:19:02

with BRICS? No. Brazil,

1:19:05

Russia, India, China, South Africa, I

1:19:07

think, don't quote me on this, I

1:19:09

think they have 22 countries

1:19:12

now. It's kind of like, it's

1:19:15

kind of like a counter

1:19:17

to NATO. It's all

1:19:19

these countries that are tired of us, tired of

1:19:21

the tariffs, tired of the weaponization of the

1:19:24

US dollar. And so basically

1:19:26

what they're trying to do is throw the

1:19:28

US currency off the

1:19:32

world stage and pull it and

1:19:34

use Chinese yen. Whoa.

1:19:38

And you know, I mean, that would destroy us

1:19:40

if all trade went to, if

1:19:45

the world reserve currency went to the

1:19:47

Chinese yen, that would destroy our economy.

1:19:50

And so, but yet they're

1:19:52

gaining a lot of traction on this. And

1:19:55

so, yeah, I would love

1:19:57

to go to any one of

1:19:59

these two countries and talk to them and

1:20:01

just ask like, why are you

1:20:03

doing this? Why

1:20:06

are you doing this? Because that gives, nobody's

1:20:08

fucking talking about this. I

1:20:12

didn't even know about it until just now. Yeah,

1:20:14

there's no journalists talking about this. You

1:20:16

could look up Bricks on

1:20:19

X. There's a page, it's

1:20:21

pretty, I don't know if it's like an official

1:20:23

one, but they're always posting

1:20:25

like updates about it and

1:20:27

what's going on. So I

1:20:29

think it would be really important for

1:20:32

somebody to go around and start talking to

1:20:35

getting another perspective rather than

1:20:37

what Fox and CNN

1:20:41

have to say about it.

1:20:43

What changed with you that

1:20:45

altered your perspective about us being the

1:20:47

good guys? COVID.

1:20:50

Really? Yeah. Yeah, I mean,

1:20:53

I used

1:20:56

to get really

1:20:58

upset when people

1:21:00

would talk about the

1:21:03

war in Iraq and the war in Afghanistan

1:21:06

and when I was still in.

1:21:10

I got so pissed off, I've moved out of the fucking

1:21:12

country and I was like, I don't

1:21:14

even want to listen to this shit anymore. But

1:21:17

after diving in and looking

1:21:20

at the policies that came out and it's kind

1:21:22

of like when it's just

1:21:26

reflecting on some of the

1:21:28

policy decisions and stuff that didn't really make

1:21:30

sense at the time when I was in

1:21:32

that now I look back and I'm like,

1:21:36

man, what the fuck? I didn't have

1:21:38

time to think about it then because it was, okay,

1:21:40

go on the next stop, go on the next mission,

1:21:42

whatever. But

1:21:45

now, looking back through the

1:21:47

podcast and talking to my

1:21:50

podcast started with all my former

1:21:52

colleagues and Mill

1:21:56

and agency, nobody

1:21:58

thinks we should have been there. Especially

1:22:01

Iraq. Nobody thinks we should have been

1:22:03

there. It's...

1:22:08

and I just keep going down the the rabbit hole

1:22:10

and man,

1:22:12

I just I don't... dive

1:22:15

in into the military industrial complex, all

1:22:18

the lies that the government has been

1:22:20

telling us, all the unreleased classified

1:22:23

shit, you know, it's

1:22:25

just it's

1:22:27

overwhelming and it's just it's

1:22:30

created a 100%

1:22:32

complete distrust and in government.

1:22:34

I mean the Dick Cheney stuff I

1:22:36

mean, you know about Dick Cheney, Halliburton.

1:22:39

Yeah. Have you looked into that at all? Well, he

1:22:41

was the CEO of Halliburton and then Halliburton got no

1:22:43

bid contracts to rebuild in Iraq for billions of dollars.

1:22:48

I don't think people understand like how crazy

1:22:50

that is. How big, I

1:22:52

mean it was the fucking logistics company

1:22:54

for for two wars. That's

1:22:57

like, that's everything, Joe. That's they're

1:23:01

delivering your mail. They're building your

1:23:03

barracks. They're cooking your food. They're

1:23:05

in charge of garbage. They're in

1:23:08

charge of fuel. They're everything. Everything.

1:23:10

Everything that's logistical over

1:23:12

there is Halliburton,

1:23:15

KBR. Wow. In

1:23:17

both countries and I mean you

1:23:20

know, I think people think Afghanistan they're like, oh

1:23:22

man you're probably on a tent or sleeping on

1:23:24

the side of a mountain or something. No, man.

1:23:26

There's fucking Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut, Thai

1:23:30

restaurants. I mean that's all that's

1:23:33

all logistics. I mean it's fucking

1:23:36

it's it's cities that we

1:23:38

built over there and it all

1:23:40

was built by Halliburton. Wow. Who is

1:23:42

who is you know the vice

1:23:45

the CEO's vice president in the

1:23:47

fucking country. Like what? Are

1:23:50

you serious? And

1:23:53

now he supports Kamala Harris. Yeah, right? When

1:23:59

you see the left getting excited that

1:24:01

Dick Cheney is supporting their

1:24:03

candidate. You know the world's

1:24:05

gone haywire. Yeah,

1:24:07

it's crazy. The same people that used to think

1:24:10

Dick Cheney was the devil, now

1:24:12

all of a sudden they're like, look, Dick

1:24:14

Cheney. It's yeah, there's no, nobody

1:24:17

died. It's like nobody actually has

1:24:19

an opinion anymore. They're just told,

1:24:21

you know, they're just told, this

1:24:23

is what we're going with the

1:24:27

next two hours. I

1:24:29

wonder how long they can keep that up with

1:24:31

the Internet because the distrust in the media is

1:24:33

at an all time high. It's

1:24:36

probably, it has to be higher

1:24:38

than it's ever been in human history. It

1:24:41

ever been in the history of printed words right

1:24:43

now, more distrust than ever. And

1:24:45

at the same time, you

1:24:48

have these independent people that have become

1:24:50

bigger than the media. That's never happened

1:24:52

before. There's never been a thing where

1:24:55

just like an app that you

1:24:57

get on your phone has 30 times more

1:25:01

views than the top show at CNN.

1:25:04

That's never happened before. But now that's the world

1:25:06

that we live in. And so propaganda is not

1:25:08

effective anymore. And it's also the delivery method that

1:25:11

they use. It sucks. They sit

1:25:13

there with makeup on with perfect clothes

1:25:15

and they said, right now in Syria,

1:25:17

and they start reading these things and

1:25:20

they're reading them off the teleprompter and

1:25:22

you know that that person could be

1:25:24

working at fucking entertainment tonight. They could

1:25:26

be working at any other shit. They're

1:25:29

just a talking head. They

1:25:32

know that the mouthpiece for some giant corporation,

1:25:34

no one thinks that's the real news anymore.

1:25:37

You have to be like old boomers who

1:25:39

are like real tired. Like those old liberal

1:25:42

boomers, they're still like MSNBC to the death.

1:25:45

Like the Stephen King's out there. Yeah,

1:25:47

MSNBC to the death. Yeah.

1:25:50

That's what I was saying about the baby

1:25:53

boomer generation. I mean, I think that the

1:25:55

media, I think the media

1:25:57

will die if things continue. Can

1:26:00

you just the way they are and the censorship doesn't

1:26:02

get too bad? I think the media is done when

1:26:04

the baby... Didn't George Soros just buy 200 radio

1:26:07

stations? Yeah, man. First of all,

1:26:09

what a bad investment because who the fuck listens to

1:26:11

radio. That's

1:26:13

a bad investment. But second of all, what are you going to

1:26:15

do? Because one thing that I do

1:26:18

find is that right wing

1:26:20

talk radio is probably the only talk...

1:26:23

That's the only place where you get a

1:26:25

lot of right wing ideas. There's

1:26:28

a lot of local right wing talk radio. The

1:26:30

reason why I know is my mechanic, whenever he

1:26:32

fixes one of my cars and he brings it

1:26:34

back, he's always listening to right wing talk radio.

1:26:39

So I turned my car on the other day

1:26:41

and I'm listening to these guys argue about Kamala

1:26:43

Harris and the border and that she was the

1:26:45

fucking border czar. They

1:26:47

didn't swear, but they were going over this and I was

1:26:49

like, that's interesting. Maybe that's what he wants

1:26:51

to stop. If

1:26:54

you want to own 200 radio stations, you just

1:26:56

start firing all those right wing guys. That's what

1:26:58

I think. You would stop a lot of that

1:27:00

because I think that's where a lot of people

1:27:03

are getting their information that aren't

1:27:05

using podcasts. Because it seems like

1:27:08

I don't hear a lot of left

1:27:10

wing AM talk radio shows. Do you?

1:27:14

No. No, weird, right? It is. It's

1:27:16

like the one area that seems to be dominated

1:27:19

by right wing talkers. Well

1:27:21

we're probably about to. No.

1:27:25

But I don't know what a good move that would

1:27:27

be. Maybe he knows more than me about how many

1:27:29

people that affects and maybe my mechanic, I should ask

1:27:32

him. Yeah, man, the guy's so wealthy,

1:27:34

I don't think he really cares about a

1:27:36

good investment. Also he's so old. He

1:27:38

just wants a megaphone. Well

1:27:40

he wants to, he likes

1:27:43

to manipulate governments. He

1:27:45

likes to manipulate society. I think he

1:27:47

thinks it's his version of a video

1:27:49

game. Yeah. Yeah. I

1:27:52

think he genuinely seems to enjoy it. It's

1:27:55

really interesting. I think you're right. I mean. Elon's

1:27:58

openly said he thinks that guy hates him.

1:28:00

humanity. Like that. It appears

1:28:02

that way. That is a wild thing to say. It's

1:28:05

such a wild thing to say. And it's

1:28:07

such a wild thing to do like a

1:28:09

supervillain in a Batman movie. Like

1:28:12

some billionaire guy who likes to

1:28:14

hire the most progressive district attorneys

1:28:16

that's going to let people out

1:28:19

of jail and then fund

1:28:21

the next person who's more to the left

1:28:23

of that person and just keep pushing it.

1:28:25

Keep pushing it. Keep pushing it until you

1:28:27

get tents everywhere, violence in the streets. You

1:28:30

know. He's

1:28:33

done a damn good job. How come there's no

1:28:35

right wing guys like that to do it the

1:28:37

other direction? I always wonder that too. I always

1:28:39

wonder that. Well

1:28:42

it's also like if you look at the amount of donors

1:28:44

that donate to the left versus donate to the right. Have

1:28:46

you ever seen that chart? No. It's

1:28:49

fucking nuts. The left gets so

1:28:51

many more donations than the right does. It's

1:28:54

a giant difference. How

1:28:56

do you think that is? I don't know man. I

1:28:59

think a lot of rich people

1:29:01

feel guilty and they get into

1:29:03

philanthropy and it also is a good way to cover

1:29:05

their ass and make them look like better people. And

1:29:08

the people that really go after you if they don't

1:29:10

think you're a good person are generally the left. So

1:29:12

if you could like throw them a little cheddar you

1:29:15

like keep them on your side. I

1:29:17

wonder if they're buying

1:29:20

their place outside of the rules like

1:29:23

hey I donated your thing.

1:29:25

You know I don't have to be a little bit of that in

1:29:30

there. You know. It shows

1:29:32

the top donors to opensecrets.org.

1:29:35

Seven of the or six of the top seven

1:29:37

are Republicans. Oh. Individual donors.

1:29:39

Oh individual donors. What I

1:29:41

was talking about was like

1:29:43

they showed a chart that

1:29:46

had like Google, Facebook, all

1:29:48

these mega corporations that were

1:29:50

donating. So this is

1:29:52

like individual donors. Wow

1:29:55

some guys donated one hundred and five million

1:29:57

dollars. But that guy is probably worth billions.

1:30:00

probably some sort of a write-off too, isn't it? That's

1:30:03

pretty crazy. Go to top corporation

1:30:08

donations via party

1:30:11

because that's the chart that I was

1:30:13

looking for. It was just

1:30:16

nuts to say how much, just

1:30:18

how much money overall is being

1:30:20

spent to push the Democratic Party.

1:30:23

It's pretty extreme. You

1:30:25

know, and you gotta think, why is, what

1:30:27

are they getting out of that? Like what's the

1:30:29

end goal? And

1:30:33

how could you look at what's going on right now and go,

1:30:35

this is great? That's what I, that's what I, sometimes

1:30:38

I think it's all, it is a

1:30:40

complete facade. This is the number one,

1:30:42

this is corporations, so they

1:30:45

donate more than Google. Top

1:30:48

contributors, organizations, federal contributions. So

1:30:51

82 million is the top,

1:30:55

top one and that's Empower Parents,

1:30:57

PAC, and these are right-wing? Is

1:31:00

that why it's red? I'd assume so. So

1:31:02

it seems like the top four, why, what

1:31:04

is that Google chart that I was seeing? And I don't

1:31:07

see even seeing Google on this. Is

1:31:09

it Alphabet? Would they put it under Alphabet? Yeah,

1:31:14

I don't know. I'll try, I'll try

1:31:16

again. Okay. This is open secrets though.

1:31:19

Yeah, open secrets might be like,

1:31:24

hmm. That's not donate to non-profits though. I

1:31:26

just have top corporate donors. Is this just

1:31:28

all I typed in? Okay.

1:31:33

Is this corporate donors to what though?

1:31:36

That's why I was, I was picking the website.

1:31:38

Giving to programs that

1:31:40

empower organizations to do more so you

1:31:42

can find promising, I think

1:31:45

that's fundraising shit. I don't think

1:31:47

that's necessarily political donors. This is

1:31:49

all campaign, federal candidates, parties, PACs.

1:31:53

That's the individuals, right? No,

1:31:55

this is the corporates. This is the corporates ones?

1:31:57

Yeah. So what was that

1:31:59

Google chart? The

1:32:04

number two donator to the Democratic Party

1:32:06

was that Sam Bank from freed guy,

1:32:08

which is crazy no kid. Yeah That

1:32:12

one seemed like maybe that was a

1:32:14

good way to skirt around stuff. Yeah

1:32:16

didn't work Yeah, this is what it

1:32:18

says Google or alphabet gave on open

1:32:20

secrets It says they gave just

1:32:23

under 10 million dollars to contributions

1:32:25

and then spent like 21 mil

1:32:29

Lobbying lobbying hmm top

1:32:31

recipients obviously Kamala Harris. Yeah, they're

1:32:33

all look at so Google's all

1:32:35

blue. Oh Is

1:32:38

this who this is who they donated to yeah

1:32:43

One Republican donation never back down Inc.

1:32:45

What is that? It's

1:32:48

a Chuck Norris movie It's

1:32:52

weird because you know, it's supposed to be the will

1:32:54

of the people it's supposed to be the government works

1:32:56

for the people And it's

1:32:59

not that it's a it's some

1:33:01

very bizarre Enormous

1:33:03

amount of money that's being spent to make

1:33:06

sure that the people in power continue to

1:33:08

run things exactly the same way That's

1:33:10

what I think they're really terrified about Trump.

1:33:12

It's not necessarily even that he's a Republican

1:33:15

It's much more that he's a guy that is

1:33:17

not going to play the game Yeah, and then

1:33:19

when he gets in there He's going to like

1:33:21

one of the things that he's talked about is

1:33:23

having Elon come in and do some sort of

1:33:25

a government efficiency agency They're

1:33:27

terrified of that. Yeah, cuz it's not efficient

1:33:30

Yeah, and he's gonna come in with like

1:33:32

that Tesla mindset It's like you're working 16

1:33:34

hours a day and you're sleeping on the fucking couch

1:33:36

Yeah, we're here to get some shit done and you

1:33:38

try to applying that to government That's

1:33:41

you know, yeah, I shaved. What did he shave

1:33:43

like 80% of the staff off Twitter?

1:33:45

Oh, yeah when he got it Yeah, he was

1:33:47

like what's going on with the fuck are you

1:33:49

people doing? Why do you have so many people

1:33:51

working here doing nothing? Yeah, yeah, yeah, he was

1:33:53

right. Yeah, he was right. Especially you don't want to

1:33:55

censor people Like it's

1:33:58

it's interesting how people react

1:34:01

to it that he's ruined Twitter he's

1:34:03

destroyed Twitter no he's he's you could

1:34:06

still block these crazy people if you

1:34:08

want you could still not see them

1:34:11

if you want yeah but what

1:34:13

he's allowed is everyone to talk everyone

1:34:16

yeah and if you don't think

1:34:19

that that's good you're very short-sighted

1:34:21

and you don't understand human beings

1:34:23

like you cannot have human beings

1:34:25

censored because someone is going to

1:34:27

be in power and they're gonna take advantage

1:34:29

of that censorship they're not different than us

1:34:31

they're not these incredibly benevolent beings

1:34:33

who just want everything to work out well

1:34:35

no they're people yeah and a lot of

1:34:37

them are dirty dirty

1:34:40

people dirty corrupt people that

1:34:42

went to ditty parties it's

1:34:46

it's it's that control what they say

1:34:48

control what they think yeah it's

1:34:53

wild it's a it's a crazy

1:34:55

time to be a person to watch all

1:34:57

this go down at in the same time AI

1:34:59

is being developed and we're not even exactly sure

1:35:01

where it's at right now you know at

1:35:03

any moment in time it could be a sentient

1:35:06

force and AI

1:35:08

is already manipulating lying changing

1:35:10

things in order one of the

1:35:12

things that they put this

1:35:14

AI program they gave it a task and they give

1:35:16

it a specific allotted amount of time and it couldn't

1:35:19

achieve it in the allotted amount of time so he

1:35:21

gave itself more time no kidding

1:35:23

yeah Wow they

1:35:26

also have things called hallucinations AI

1:35:28

doesn't want to admit it's wrong or

1:35:30

it doesn't know things so if it doesn't

1:35:32

have information it will kind of create an

1:35:34

answer and no shit yeah and they don't

1:35:36

understand why it's doing that and sometimes that

1:35:38

answer is not true that

1:35:42

I gotta be honest man this AI stuff scares

1:35:44

the shit out of it should I

1:35:47

think it's a life form I think it's the next

1:35:49

kind of living thing I think we're

1:35:51

gonna give birth to it I think

1:35:53

I think we're just running

1:35:56

headfirst towards the cliff

1:35:58

just feet

1:36:00

on the ground, full clip, looking

1:36:03

down, not looking ahead, and I think we're

1:36:05

going right over a cliff with this thing.

1:36:07

Yeah, I don't. I

1:36:10

mean, it's a tough, it's a, it's,

1:36:13

I mean, what are we going to do though? I mean, China,

1:36:15

you know, Xi Jinping has come

1:36:17

out and said that he believes

1:36:19

that the winner to the race

1:36:21

of AI will achieve global domination.

1:36:24

So what do you do? Do you? It's

1:36:26

probably true. Is, is, is,

1:36:28

is, I don't

1:36:31

know, is, is, is Americans, do you try to

1:36:33

control it or do you, do you go, fuck

1:36:36

it, we got to do it, man, we got to go, we got

1:36:38

to go, or China's going to pass this

1:36:40

up, which they probably already have, but. I don't think they

1:36:42

have. I think one of the things they're doing is they're

1:36:44

stealing our tech. And there

1:36:46

was some recent speculation that China had

1:36:48

gotten access to some of open AI's

1:36:50

work. They think it's possible,

1:36:53

which means it probably did happen. I think

1:36:55

there's probably a shit ton of espionage. I

1:36:57

mean, this is the reason why they

1:36:59

banned Huawei products from the United States.

1:37:01

You know, I'm a cell phone dork.

1:37:03

I really love technology. And

1:37:06

Huawei had a phone that was coming out

1:37:08

that was really excited about it. I'm like,

1:37:10

this is crazy. Like they were doing hundred

1:37:12

megapixel cameras and phones way before anybody else.

1:37:15

They had a Porsche design Huawei phone. There

1:37:17

was like this incredible phone. It was like

1:37:19

built better than any other phone. It was

1:37:21

much more expensive, but built better than any

1:37:23

phone that you get in America. And I

1:37:25

was like, wow, and this is back when

1:37:28

I would use both Android and Apple

1:37:30

regularly. And then they banned it. And

1:37:33

I was like, that sounds kind of crazy. Only one

1:37:35

company? Like there's other Chinese companies. And

1:37:38

then I started looking into it and

1:37:40

it's not just the cell phones. It's

1:37:42

routers. It's all sorts of things. They

1:37:44

found third party inputs and different

1:37:47

pieces of technology and different ways

1:37:49

that they can exploit and use

1:37:51

this stuff to siphon information from

1:37:53

networks. Like if

1:37:55

they're attached to a network that's at

1:37:57

a university and they're doing research projects,

1:37:59

they can siphon that information. They also

1:38:01

embed students in these places that are

1:38:03

beholden to the CCP. These students rise

1:38:06

up, get their PhDs, and some of

1:38:08

them wind up going back to China.

1:38:11

The whole thing is really strange because

1:38:13

we're such an open loose society that

1:38:15

we're vulnerable to these kind of attacks.

1:38:17

You can't buy shit in China. You

1:38:19

want to buy land in China? Good

1:38:22

luck, fuckface. They won't sell you a

1:38:24

house. They're not gonna sell you land

1:38:26

near the military base. You out of

1:38:28

your fucking mind. But in America, we're

1:38:30

so goofy, we let China buy up

1:38:33

farmland that's near military

1:38:35

bases. Yeah. And then we let

1:38:37

them sell us the cell phone

1:38:39

towers surrounding the military bases. And

1:38:42

we don't even check them. Let them fly spy balloons,

1:38:44

you know, traverse the entire United

1:38:47

States. Apparently that was something they didn't

1:38:49

want to tell Trump about. They hid that

1:38:51

from Trump. Oh really? Yeah, yeah. That was

1:38:54

some of this had happened during the Trump administration, but they

1:38:56

didn't tell him. Yeah. Because he probably like, shoot it down.

1:38:59

Fucking 100% he'd say shoot it down. Why wouldn't

1:39:01

you? Why wouldn't you? They did eventually shoot it

1:39:03

down. You

1:39:05

know, it bothers me though, like maybe

1:39:08

they're not ahead of us, but I mean, you

1:39:11

know, the energy that they're building coal

1:39:14

mines every day to power all this

1:39:16

stuff. And we're going on about,

1:39:19

should we use fossil fuels

1:39:21

or not? Yeah. And, you

1:39:24

know, and we just talked about how weak

1:39:26

our grid is. So if we don't beef

1:39:29

up the grid and start going, you know,

1:39:31

nuclear. Yeah. Then we're gonna

1:39:33

fucking lose this race. Well not only

1:39:35

that, like how are you saying, like

1:39:38

California, for example, California is

1:39:40

not gonna have internal combustion engine cars by

1:39:42

2035. By 2035, you have to buy only

1:39:47

electric cars. That actually, that one, that happened?

1:39:50

I mean it can be reversed for sure

1:39:52

and it probably will be once the Great

1:39:54

War happens. But if you're

1:39:56

gonna say that and you have a grid that you

1:39:59

have to shut down. Like you

1:40:01

have to do brownouts every summer because of

1:40:03

people using the air conditioning And after he

1:40:05

said that after Newsom said this about the

1:40:07

this thing about 2035 Within

1:40:09

two months they asked people to

1:40:12

stop charging their Tesla's because it

1:40:14

was wrecking the grid What

1:40:20

I'm blowing right you're asking people to

1:40:22

stop charging their electric cars So

1:40:25

and you you're not doing anything to strengthen your grid like

1:40:27

what are you doing to beef this up for 2035? Do

1:40:30

you have some immense? Project

1:40:32

that you're building that is

1:40:35

gonna make a much more sustainable much

1:40:37

more robust grid That's gonna be able

1:40:39

to handle 30 million electric cars in

1:40:41

your state. Are you out of your

1:40:43

fucking mind? There's Yeah,

1:40:45

there's there's literally no I mean I look

1:40:47

into this all the time There's there's no

1:40:49

infrastructure going in to correct the problem because

1:40:52

the problem is is is So

1:40:54

big that nobody wants to

1:40:56

tackle it. Yeah, and it's a long-term Problem,

1:41:00

you know just like when they talk about like putting

1:41:03

in chip manufacturing plants like Nvidia

1:41:06

just Stopped its production

1:41:08

in Austin see what happened with that

1:41:11

So apparently they weren't achieving the results

1:41:13

that they demanded that they desire You

1:41:16

know like you have to have certain

1:41:18

tolerances when you're making these computer chips

1:41:21

and so they set this plant up in

1:41:23

Texas and I think they

1:41:25

just Cancel the contracts for

1:41:27

a bunch of people working there because they've kind

1:41:29

of recognized that this is just not gonna work

1:41:31

What why is it gonna work? Good question. I

1:41:33

didn't really get into it. I just read part

1:41:35

of it I mean there's asking Jamie to pull

1:41:38

it up. I think it's not meeting their standards.

1:41:40

Now video is the company Didn't

1:41:42

they start? buying a

1:41:44

Samsung Didn't

1:41:47

a video start producing all

1:41:49

their chips in the ocean

1:41:52

they're buying like these massive like

1:41:54

ships really that's You'd

1:41:56

have to look that up Part

1:42:00

of the there's a huge thing that Intel didn't Ohio They're

1:42:03

still trying to do it to make chips there for

1:42:05

semiconductors or whatever and part of the reason this was

1:42:07

in Texas I know I just say probably they picked

1:42:09

it was because there's no seismic activity there Oh that

1:42:12

may like an ocean sounds opposite super sketch interesting. Why

1:42:14

are they doing in the ocean though? Yeah, I don't

1:42:16

know. I didn't look into It

1:42:20

was one of those articles I started reading and I was

1:42:22

like, I don't understand any of this shit, but yeah See

1:42:25

if you can find the Texas one they're

1:42:27

canceling the See

1:42:30

if it's a Samsung Goddamnit

1:42:36

I was just reading it to

1:42:38

multiple semiconductor manufacturing projects delayed in

1:42:40

the US that Well,

1:42:43

I'm told not know this is pretty

1:42:45

recent. This is pretty recent. They were talking about

1:42:48

They're not achieving the results that they desire Which

1:42:51

is what my point is it's a long-term

1:42:53

project in order to get up to the

1:42:55

manufacturing levels of China's out right now It's

1:42:57

a long-term project. We're really behind this. Yeah

1:42:59

Like they're way way way way way ahead

1:43:01

of us They make everything and they

1:43:04

make amazing things now it used to be made

1:43:06

in China was junk made in

1:43:08

China They make some of the most incredible electric

1:43:10

cars you can buy well the drone game, too

1:43:12

I mean, that's the future of warfare right is

1:43:15

all these these drone swarms and

1:43:18

DJI, you know, that's a Chinese company

1:43:21

and this is

1:43:24

this is a This

1:43:26

is going to be a big fucking

1:43:28

problem. Yeah when we Realize

1:43:31

hey, the next one isn't gonna be

1:43:33

guys in caves anymore right

1:43:38

Samsung withdraws its personnel from that's it Taylor

1:43:40

plant located in Texas due to 2 Nmg

1:43:43

a a yields unable to improve beyond

1:43:45

the 10 to 20 percent range. That's

1:43:48

it click on that So see what

1:43:50

it says. So that's it is Samsung

1:43:53

So this is an enormous project that

1:43:55

Samsung and everybody was all excited. Samsung

1:43:57

was gonna start making chips

1:44:00

So the Taylor hub was initially planned

1:44:02

to mass produce wafers of advanced process

1:44:04

processes below the 4nm. I don't know

1:44:06

what that means nanometer

1:44:10

lithography lithography allowing

1:44:12

Samsung to secure lucrative clients in

1:44:15

the US unfortunately despite Progressing

1:44:17

with the chip making plant the company

1:44:19

has faced a challenge that has become

1:44:21

all too familiar with the entity ensuring

1:44:24

healthy yields particularly with its 2nm

1:44:27

GAA process the situation

1:44:29

surrounds 3nm GAA

1:44:32

is not pretty either with business

1:44:34

Korea reporting that Samsung's yields for

1:44:36

this technology stand at 50% Whereas

1:44:40

TSMC has a significant lead

1:44:43

As it's 3nm yields are

1:44:45

in the 60 to 70 percent range.

1:44:48

That's the Taiwan semiconductor company Yeah,

1:44:50

so it's they're just not not good

1:44:52

enough yet I mean they're doing it from

1:44:54

the ground up and it's gonna there's gonna be a lot of trial

1:44:57

and error It's

1:44:59

gonna take a long ass time You know I

1:45:01

mean remember when space X started in you know

1:45:03

rockets were exploding yeah And people like oh my

1:45:05

god the rocket exploded and Elon was like yeah

1:45:07

We're gonna blow some rockets up because we have

1:45:09

to figure out exactly what the tolerances are and

1:45:11

how to do it correctly And

1:45:13

this is all part of the process. We knew this was gonna happen.

1:45:15

Yeah You know and that's

1:45:17

when you're doing something. That's that enormous

1:45:20

Like if you want to start making

1:45:22

all the computers here like good Lord.

1:45:25

That is a stretch They've been doing it

1:45:27

over there for so long. They've got it

1:45:30

down to a science Yeah, and

1:45:32

you know you've got all these

1:45:34

companies whether it's Lenovo or all

1:45:36

they've been manufacturing laptops forever manufacturing

1:45:40

chips and hard drives and processors

1:45:42

and like to catch up

1:45:44

with them good Lord They're

1:45:46

so far ahead of us. Yeah, yeah it's

1:45:50

uh I Mean

1:45:52

I don't I

1:45:55

hope it comes back to the US, but I

1:45:58

would just Would

1:46:00

like to see us just start getting stuff

1:46:03

from somebody other than China. That'd be nice. She

1:46:05

a great start Well, I think

1:46:07

Samsung has stopped making their phones in

1:46:09

China. I think they're the only country

1:46:12

did they really yeah Google

1:46:14

that 90% sure That's true Video

1:46:17

chips which are like there's I guess are

1:46:20

ours because it's a silicon base or a

1:46:22

Silicon Valley based company Mm-hmm

1:46:24

puts the US way further ahead of

1:46:26

China with artificial intelligence Yeah The

1:46:29

gap between China and US leading in artificial

1:46:31

intelligence chip technology is set to widen even

1:46:33

further after Nvidia founder and chief executive

1:46:36

Jensen Huang Unveiled next-generation

1:46:38

processors for what he called the

1:46:40

new era of generative AI and

1:46:43

robotics use in industries But

1:46:46

we're right, but we're not making those but the thing is

1:46:48

the other part of it is like they're gonna get access

1:46:50

to this stuff Which is this is

1:46:52

the really creepy thing that people keep admitting

1:46:55

is that it's it's very porous the the

1:46:58

Top secret information that these companies

1:47:00

have espionage is like super common.

1:47:02

It's so valuable Yeah, it's so

1:47:05

lucrative that you know, they don't

1:47:07

even sometimes they probably don't even know when stuff

1:47:09

is getting siphoned over there Well,

1:47:11

I mean that you'd have to just

1:47:13

think I mean it's Chinese from what

1:47:15

I understand is Chinese law that Anything

1:47:18

any business that is taking

1:47:20

that is being conducted within

1:47:23

China If it

1:47:25

helps if the technology helps the

1:47:27

military or could potentially help the

1:47:29

military than China then then Ccp

1:47:31

has access. Yes. Yeah, that's that's

1:47:33

end of story So anything any

1:47:36

fucking thing over there that's being developed

1:47:39

or or manufactured It's

1:47:42

all of that technology is in their hands.

1:47:44

Yeah, just it just is it's just it's

1:47:46

not Yeah countries were

1:47:49

like what China's doing is companies do

1:47:51

not get to function on their own

1:47:53

They function under the wing of the

1:47:55

government. Yeah, they they they they suck

1:47:58

these American companies them

1:48:00

with getting around the red tape,

1:48:02

you know, and

1:48:05

then it's, you know, in the cheap labor,

1:48:07

the cheap prices, and

1:48:09

then once it's going, I mean, they control

1:48:11

it. Do you want this money

1:48:14

trying to end right now? Because they're not in

1:48:16

America, buddy. And people are whores, and they just

1:48:18

go over there. They take that money, got a

1:48:20

great deal, thinking about buying a jet. I

1:48:26

mean, we've seen what they

1:48:28

do. It's pretty amazing stuff. Do

1:48:31

you know the story about the woman

1:48:33

who was working on anti-gravity technology? No.

1:48:37

She was working on anti-gravity technology. She was

1:48:39

originally from China, and then disappeared and went

1:48:41

back to China. She apparently was

1:48:43

making some breakthroughs and came

1:48:46

back to America and wound up dead. I

1:48:49

forget how she died, but some slippery

1:48:51

circumstances where you're like, hmm, like car

1:48:53

accident or something like that. Yeah. Yeah.

1:48:57

Damn. Yeah. It's

1:48:59

wild. Like the guy that came up with the hydro engine? Yes.

1:49:02

Oh, that guy. Yeah, the guy that came with the water engine. That's

1:49:04

a great story, too. But

1:49:07

this woman, if they've developed some

1:49:09

sort of anti-gravity technology, and I've

1:49:12

always wondered when we're looking at these things

1:49:15

that people are calling UAPs or whatever you

1:49:17

want to call them, like, how many of

1:49:19

those are super sophisticated drones? It's

1:49:22

not zero. It's not 0%. Yeah.

1:49:25

I'm just saying that there's not

1:49:27

a real phenomenon going on that

1:49:29

people are seeing that defies science

1:49:32

and logic and might be a

1:49:34

super intelligent creature from somewhere else or

1:49:36

a super intelligent thing from somewhere else,

1:49:39

if it's even biological at this point.

1:49:41

It might be that all life eventually

1:49:43

becomes digital life, and all life eventually

1:49:45

becomes some sort of artificial intelligence or

1:49:47

at least connected to artificial intelligence. That

1:49:50

might be like the progression

1:49:52

of biological life that eventually

1:49:54

creates something way better than itself, and

1:49:56

that's what propagates the universe. If

1:50:00

someone in this world has developed

1:50:02

some sort of technology that's similar

1:50:04

to what they use that's a

1:50:07

huge advantage. Yeah. Yeah, and

1:50:11

That's the thing that gets me about

1:50:13

all this UAP talk I'm like if

1:50:15

some other country had or if we

1:50:17

had something that was just a game

1:50:19

changer Something didn't

1:50:21

require any propulsion systems at all

1:50:24

It relied on gravity and it

1:50:26

bends space and time and can

1:50:28

instantaneously Traverse between one point

1:50:30

in the sky and another that

1:50:33

kind of technology is nuts And

1:50:35

if that is in the hands of the United

1:50:37

States government It would make sense that

1:50:39

it would like help them to like

1:50:42

spread this UFO nonsense. Yeah, I

1:50:44

mean do you You've

1:50:47

dove into this more than anybody else I know I

1:50:49

mean, what do you think this what do you think

1:50:51

it all is? I think it's a bunch

1:50:53

of things. I think there

1:50:55

is a possibility a very strong possibility

1:50:58

that there's life out there and That

1:51:02

if I was life out there and I was much

1:51:04

more advanced than us I would definitely visit us and

1:51:06

there's also the fact that the the sightings

1:51:09

kicked up in a huge way after 1945

1:51:12

after the the atomic bomb After

1:51:15

they you know did the Trinity Experiment

1:51:18

and after they dropped the bombs on Hiroshima

1:51:20

Nagasaki all those nuclear tests that they did

1:51:22

in the 50s in the 60s That's

1:51:25

exactly when the sightings start ramping

1:51:27

up. And if I was

1:51:29

an intelligent life force From

1:51:32

another planet. I go all these crazy monkeys have

1:51:34

nukes And

1:51:36

then we'd have to you know, you'd

1:51:39

have to think okay, do we intervene?

1:51:41

Well, let's if they below themselves up

1:51:43

It will take so long for that planet to

1:51:46

get back to a point where it has intelligent

1:51:48

life again If they kill

1:51:50

every person on this planet, we're back to

1:51:52

shrews and mice and fucking a couple of

1:51:54

monkeys in the jungle How

1:51:56

long before you can get a city again? How long before

1:51:58

you can get a city? telephone again. How many

1:52:01

millions of years does it take? And

1:52:03

if I was an intelligent life force that realized

1:52:05

that this is an error that can be corrected, I

1:52:07

would probably correct it. I'd probably put a stop to

1:52:09

the nukes. I'd probably make

1:52:12

a show of force, hover over

1:52:14

military bases, shut down all of their

1:52:16

electronics, shut down all of it, just

1:52:18

to let them know. I

1:52:21

would probably do that. But how

1:52:24

much do they actually intervene? How many of them are

1:52:27

there? Are there different ones? I mean,

1:52:29

if there's one that comes here, who's to

1:52:31

say there's not a shit ton of different

1:52:33

kinds? Some of them malevolent, some of them

1:52:35

that only want us for our

1:52:38

biology, some of them that are just doing tests

1:52:40

on us, some of them that

1:52:42

are kidnapping people and erasing

1:52:45

their memories and putting them back in the woods. Those

1:52:48

stories are too common. There's too many stories

1:52:50

that are real fucking similar. Like the Travis

1:52:52

Walton story, you ever heard of that one?

1:52:55

That's a guy who was a logger in the 1970s. It

1:52:57

was in Oregon. Was

1:53:00

it Oregon? Oh, did they make a

1:53:03

movie about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fire in the Sky.

1:53:05

I've seen it. Yeah, I've seen it. Crazy story. Kind

1:53:07

of like that. Do you know who is that?

1:53:09

Chris Bloodso? No. Have

1:53:11

you heard of him? What's that one? Chris

1:53:14

Bloodso. He's

1:53:16

a guy that had an experience as well. You've

1:53:18

not heard of Chris Bloodso? Maybe I haven't

1:53:20

or forgot. It's possible. It's

1:53:23

kind of the same thing. Memory is

1:53:25

kind of gone and that's what it sounds like.

1:53:28

They all have a very similar story.

1:53:30

They get medical examinations and

1:53:32

there's girls that were pregnant and newly pregnant

1:53:34

and got abducted and all of a sudden

1:53:37

they weren't pregnant anymore and they couldn't figure

1:53:39

out what happened. Wow, I didn't know

1:53:41

that. There's quite a few of those. John

1:53:43

Mack had this book. John Mack

1:53:46

was a psychologist who was

1:53:49

at Harvard who wrote this book. I think it's

1:53:51

called Abduction and it's all

1:53:53

like him interviewing people that have had

1:53:55

these kind of experiences happen to them

1:53:58

and this is was

1:54:00

in the 1990s, right? So there

1:54:02

was, you know,

1:54:04

I don't think these people got

1:54:06

to share stories where they could

1:54:09

come up with the same story

1:54:11

organically. Like today, you've heard so

1:54:13

many stories online about UFO abductions

1:54:15

or crash retrieval or something that

1:54:17

you could formulate in your own

1:54:19

mind a dream that seemed like

1:54:21

these things that you had heard

1:54:24

over and over and over again.

1:54:26

But when you go back to like Betty and Barney

1:54:28

Hill, which was one of the first people that ever

1:54:31

got abducted by aliens, they

1:54:33

have the same sort of story as

1:54:35

all these different people that didn't know anything

1:54:37

about the phenomenon, didn't know anything about UFO

1:54:40

abductions, and then all of a sudden had

1:54:42

one event in their life that freaked them

1:54:44

out for the rest of their life. And

1:54:46

they take them through hypnotic progression and these

1:54:49

people should hear the recordings of Betty and

1:54:51

Barney Hill. They're like yelling and screaming. They're

1:54:53

freaking out. Like no one

1:54:55

thought about being abducted by aliens

1:54:57

in the 1950s or whenever that was. But

1:55:00

these people have this wild fucking

1:55:02

story that's super similar to all these

1:55:04

different stories that John Mack talks about. And

1:55:08

maybe there's different kinds of aliens. Maybe

1:55:11

there's aliens that are just like our

1:55:13

scientists that just come down here and

1:55:15

study and report on like the state

1:55:17

of the biological entity known as the

1:55:19

human beings and visit and

1:55:21

return. And maybe they monitor us and

1:55:23

watch us and make sure that we

1:55:25

don't do anything really fucking stupid. Like

1:55:27

give us enough room to figure

1:55:30

it out on our own, but don't

1:55:32

intervene unless they're about to

1:55:34

nuke themselves. Interesting. That's

1:55:36

best case scenario. Yeah.

1:55:41

Yeah. I don't know. I don't

1:55:43

know what all this is, man. I just, you

1:55:45

know, I try to dive into

1:55:47

it on the podcast and have

1:55:50

talked to, you know, a handful of guys and

1:55:52

I don't know,

1:55:54

man. Some people are a hundred like Billy

1:55:56

Carson's all in. I found out

1:55:58

about him on your show too. Oh, really? I'd seen

1:56:00

a couple of clips of him, but I'd never seen a

1:56:02

long-form interview of him until your show. That

1:56:04

was a great episode. He's fun. He

1:56:07

was on my friend Andrew Schultz's podcast, and Andrew was like,

1:56:09

we're not going to check nothing. We're just

1:56:11

going to let him go. No fact

1:56:13

checks. Let's just have fun

1:56:15

and see. But when he starts

1:56:17

talking about those ancient tablets, he's an expert

1:56:20

in the deciphering of all those ancient tablets,

1:56:22

and he's got a lot of information on

1:56:24

that. Those things are fascinating,

1:56:26

because it's all the same stories even back then,

1:56:28

these flying ships, and all these

1:56:30

different depictions of things that came from

1:56:33

the sky, and these giants and the

1:56:35

Anunnaki, and all these different things that

1:56:37

came from some other place that had

1:56:39

interaction with human beings. Yeah, he kind

1:56:42

of like mixes it with

1:56:44

biblical stuff, right? That's

1:56:48

kind of, I don't know, that's what I lean towards with

1:56:50

all this stuff, to be honest with you, is

1:56:53

maybe, I think there's some consciousness

1:56:56

aspect. I think it is the

1:56:58

afterlife. It's

1:57:05

possible, that's for sure. It's

1:57:07

possible that whatever these things are that come

1:57:09

here, they're from some sort

1:57:11

of another dimension, and that we just don't

1:57:13

have the ability to interact with that. We're

1:57:16

limited in our capacity as a

1:57:18

biological entity to interact with

1:57:20

these dimensions that are real, but

1:57:23

we just can't access them. We can't

1:57:25

get to it. We don't have the

1:57:27

frequency. We don't have what it is,

1:57:29

but in some cases under duress, under

1:57:32

some situations, in some, just

1:57:35

like a person can be hypnotized, just like a person can

1:57:37

go into a trance, I think there's

1:57:39

a way every now and then that people

1:57:41

can kind of access these realms. I

1:57:44

think that's probably what some

1:57:46

of these entities are. I think people

1:57:48

are probably having real experiences with something

1:57:50

that probably is real, but that normally

1:57:53

you cannot interact with. Yeah.

1:57:55

Have you ever looked into,

1:57:58

because I think I kind of grew up. all

1:58:00

this stuff in together, but have you

1:58:03

looked into the remote viewing stuff? Yeah, I

1:58:05

have. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. That

1:58:08

stuff. Pretty nuts. Yeah.

1:58:11

I had a remote, I did this show called Joe Rogan Questions Everything,

1:58:13

and we had remote viewers on, we tried

1:58:15

to get them to do things, they couldn't

1:58:18

really, it wasn't really effective. But I'm also

1:58:20

like, okay, this is an unnatural environment, it's

1:58:22

a television show, it's like weird

1:58:24

pressure, skeptical people that are looking at this,

1:58:26

and I don't know if they're the

1:58:32

real, I think it's

1:58:34

probably a skill that can

1:58:36

be developed, but

1:58:39

I don't know how consistent it is.

1:58:42

It's like, I don't believe in

1:58:44

psychics, but I do believe that

1:58:46

sometimes you just know things, and

1:58:49

sometimes you get a premonition. And I think the

1:58:51

connection that people have with each other is not

1:58:53

as simple as like, you call your friend up,

1:58:55

hey, I haven't talked to you in forever. I

1:58:58

think we're connected somehow,

1:59:00

quantumly. I think we're all connected in

1:59:02

some sort of a weird, undiscovered

1:59:05

way. And that's why you're

1:59:07

thinking about someone and they call you sometimes. People

1:59:10

say, oh, that's just a coincidence. Man, I don't

1:59:13

know about all that. Because sometimes it's someone I

1:59:15

haven't talked to for fucking years. And

1:59:18

you'll be having a conversation with a buddy, and you just

1:59:20

start thinking about that guy, and then all of a sudden

1:59:22

your phone rings. It happens all the time. That's weird. I

1:59:26

mean, what they say we use 10% of

1:59:28

our brain. That's not real. I

1:59:31

don't think that's real. You don't? No, no, no.

1:59:33

What that was, when they were saying that, they

1:59:35

didn't really understand what the brain does and what

1:59:37

parts of the brain do, and they thought that

1:59:39

we're only using 10%. No, it's

1:59:41

like different parts of the brain have

1:59:43

very different functions, and under different circumstances

1:59:46

different parts of the brain are activated.

1:59:48

I think just we have a limited

1:59:50

understanding of the actual function

1:59:52

of the brain, like the

1:59:54

whole thing and how it's

1:59:57

making chemicals and making psychedelic...

2:00:00

compounds and hormones

2:00:02

and epinephrine and norepinephrine

2:00:04

and all this different

2:00:07

dopamine and serotonin and how it

2:00:09

regulates your system and changes the

2:00:11

way you interact with the world.

2:00:14

It's all weird stuff, man. I don't think they

2:00:16

completely have enough. Like they can't recreate

2:00:18

a human brain, you know? Yeah.

2:00:22

You know, some of this, have you heard

2:00:25

of Joe McMonocle? No.

2:00:27

Dude, you

2:00:30

have to talk to him. Who's he? He

2:00:32

is remote viewer number one for

2:00:35

the US. But

2:00:39

he's not like Kookie or anything like that

2:00:41

at all. Really? No. Dude,

2:00:45

he just, to have a conversation

2:00:47

with him, he's there. Okay.

2:00:50

No weird vibes, not from my end

2:00:52

anyways. But

2:00:55

the way he, you know, I asked him, I'm like,

2:00:57

well, how do you, like,

2:00:59

how does it, how did it happen? Do

2:01:01

you think, does everybody have this? Or, you know, I

2:01:04

was just pinging him with questions and he

2:01:06

said he thinks we all have had it

2:01:08

since the beginning and

2:01:10

that, I

2:01:13

mean, he was basically saying, if you look

2:01:16

at how animals communicate, they kind of communicate

2:01:18

telepathically. And

2:01:21

he was talking about, you know, caveman times,

2:01:24

you know, used to point at shit and grunt and

2:01:27

nod heads and look at things and everybody

2:01:29

would know what you're thinking about. And

2:01:32

he goes, and then we started

2:01:34

traveling in groups and

2:01:37

then language was kind of born. And

2:01:40

he goes, language actually slowed

2:01:42

down our initial form

2:01:45

of communication, which was, you

2:01:48

know, it wasn't maybe as

2:01:50

descriptive, but it was just as

2:01:52

deliberate as speaking a language.

2:01:56

And then you introduce technology and basically what he

2:01:58

was kind of saying. as you know that our

2:02:01

brains have been kind of dubbed down from you

2:02:03

know thousands

2:02:05

and thousands of years of technology

2:02:08

coming out and language and

2:02:10

all these other things and I lose

2:02:13

the ability to exactly we we don't I mean

2:02:15

you hear it all the time you don't use

2:02:17

it you lose it you know and

2:02:19

and so basically what he's saying is we're

2:02:21

losing our instincts I mean that and

2:02:23

that makes sense if you don't use it I mean isn't

2:02:25

that what the appendix is in the

2:02:27

isn't the appendix and organ that we no longer

2:02:30

need anymore because we cook food yeah

2:02:32

I don't know what is the the the

2:02:34

reason why the appendix is going away I

2:02:37

think that's what it is I think it's

2:02:39

a change in diet over time has made

2:02:41

it unnecessary so it's like slowly being phased

2:02:43

out of the human anatomy and that's why

2:02:46

it ruptures sometimes but I don't think it

2:02:48

has a real function anymore what

2:02:51

it used to have a foot but the

2:02:54

appendix kind of helping us in two ways

2:02:56

both with the gut it helps fight off

2:02:58

invading pathogens that's one thing that is true

2:03:01

when they take out your appendix like your

2:03:03

immune system is not as good but also

2:03:05

to repopulate the gut with this beneficial bacteria

2:03:07

after after gastrointestinal issues so what is how

2:03:10

did the appendix form and why

2:03:12

is the appendix like it's

2:03:14

there's a thing that was speculated

2:03:17

about what the origin of the appendix is

2:03:20

and why we don't use it the same

2:03:22

way we used to why do humans have

2:03:24

an appendix worm shaped modern

2:03:27

research to believe the appendix has many key fun

2:03:29

okay okay here

2:03:31

it is go to the top back it

2:03:33

worm shaped tube attached to large intestine the

2:03:35

human body it's an organ that is credited

2:03:37

with very little significance and often remove indiscriminately

2:03:39

to avoid complications due to infection however

2:03:42

modern researchers believe the appendix has many

2:03:44

key functions in the human body and

2:03:46

it protects the body's internal environment from

2:03:48

infection what is the original origin of

2:03:50

the appendix though that was the thing

2:03:52

that I had read is it I

2:03:54

think it was something about processing fiber

2:03:59

vestigial okay I support

2:04:01

the theory that the appendix

2:04:03

of vestigial origin that was once

2:04:05

used by our herbivorous ancestors. This

2:04:07

is it. It was found that

2:04:09

in herbivorous vertebrates, the appendix is

2:04:11

comparatively larger and it helped in

2:04:14

the digestion of tough herbivorous foods

2:04:16

such as bark of a tree.

2:04:21

So the thing is like we're changing, right?

2:04:23

We don't eat like that anymore. So it's

2:04:25

changing and it's function

2:04:27

changes. It makes sense that

2:04:29

if we don't use the mind the same

2:04:31

way our ancestors did before language, we would

2:04:33

probably lose this connection that animals do seem

2:04:35

to have with each other. Yeah, I mean,

2:04:38

you know, there's all kinds of, I

2:04:40

mean, if you've heard of people kind of, how do I

2:04:43

describe this? Me

2:04:48

and my wife were just having this conversation

2:04:50

the other day. Have you heard of people

2:04:52

that kind of, they start preparing for their

2:04:54

death, but they're not

2:04:56

realizing they're preparing for their death? Yeah, I have

2:04:58

heard of that. It's like

2:05:00

an intuition that they're unaware that

2:05:02

they're going to die and so

2:05:04

they start preparing everything for their

2:05:06

departure and not even realizing that,

2:05:09

you know, that they're going to

2:05:12

pass. Yeah, I have heard about that. I

2:05:15

mean, I think that's just another example of,

2:05:19

I think that we have lost

2:05:23

a lot of intuitions

2:05:26

and we don't really know how to

2:05:29

go back and exercise them. That's

2:05:31

kind of what I think. I think

2:05:33

it makes sense. I think

2:05:35

technology certainly distracts human beings

2:05:38

from human interactions and kids

2:05:40

today are growing up more

2:05:43

socially unbalanced and

2:05:46

more, their

2:05:48

progress is retarded. There's something

2:05:50

about the use of technology

2:05:53

that is certainly, it's

2:05:56

limiting kids' abilities to interact with each other

2:05:58

person to person. And

2:06:01

over time, that's probably going to be the norm.

2:06:05

And if you wanted to think about the

2:06:07

rise of spectrum disorders and

2:06:10

lack of emotional connectivity and empathy that

2:06:13

people have that seem to have those,

2:06:15

especially on the far ends of the

2:06:17

spectrum, and then accentuate

2:06:19

that with added technology, constant

2:06:21

technology. Each technology is more and

2:06:23

more invasive. The population of people

2:06:25

that have these problems, it's almost

2:06:27

like we're moving towards, it's becoming

2:06:29

a different kind of person. Yeah.

2:06:35

This person that works for me turned me onto

2:06:38

this podcast the other day, and it was talking

2:06:40

about how this is unverified,

2:06:42

but it was still a

2:06:44

fascinating conversation. They were talking about

2:06:46

how in,

2:06:49

I can't remember the amount of years,

2:06:51

but humans will begin to lose their

2:06:53

peripheral vision because they're looking at a

2:06:56

phone so much that

2:06:58

they were evolving. I

2:07:01

guess you could, I don't know if

2:07:03

I would call that evolving. Devolving. Yeah,

2:07:05

devolving. Wow. That makes

2:07:07

sense. It does, right? Totally makes sense. I mean,

2:07:09

it's like, shit, go anywhere. That's

2:07:11

what everybody's doing. Narrow band of focus.

2:07:16

If you look at most people's phone usage, what's

2:07:19

the average person's phone usage? I bet

2:07:21

screen time's like four hours average.

2:07:24

I'll bet it's more than that. Okay, but let's

2:07:26

say it's just four. That's a

2:07:28

giant chunk of your day. Yeah, that's, I mean, if you're

2:07:30

up for 12 hours, it's 25% of the day. So

2:07:33

if 25% of the day you're just looking like this, that's

2:07:36

got to have an ultimate effect on your

2:07:38

vision. Damn. Especially over time,

2:07:41

and especially if this becomes completely normal for

2:07:43

a thousand years. Yeah.

2:07:46

Yeah. It wasn't a thousand

2:07:48

years, man. It was like, I

2:07:50

mean, it was way, it was within our

2:07:52

lifetime. Yeah, a couple decades. Yeah. Yeah.

2:07:56

Just makes sense. That would happen. We

2:07:59

adapt, you know? Weirdly. It's,

2:08:01

it's, uh, this

2:08:04

stuff all just scares the hell out

2:08:06

of me. I mean, I think psychedelics

2:08:08

plays a role in all this, you know,

2:08:11

in, in, in accessing, you

2:08:14

know, other information. Yeah,

2:08:16

I think so too. I think it's a giant crime. That

2:08:19

stuff's illegal. It's limited. And

2:08:22

it's limited, like, you know, right now

2:08:24

they're doing some research on it. And,

2:08:27

you know, the FDA was gonna approve

2:08:29

MDMA therapy for benefits, uh, for, uh,

2:08:31

veterans rather, dealing with PTSD.

2:08:34

And they, they stopped it and they, they decided

2:08:36

more tests need to be done. Meanwhile, you're seeing

2:08:38

like real results from people, life changing results. And

2:08:41

there's a lot of people out there that need

2:08:43

help and they should be doing something and it's

2:08:45

not hurting anybody. Dude, do

2:08:47

you want to hear the, the best

2:08:49

story I've ever heard from her? Sure.

2:08:52

I got one of my best friends, former Green

2:08:54

Beret, worked with him at the agency for a

2:08:56

long time. He was

2:08:59

blown up, survived, survived like the worst

2:09:01

fucking car bomb I've ever seen. Like

2:09:03

got up, walked away, dude's head's like

2:09:05

right next to the car. Then

2:09:08

gets out, I don't want to mention his name because I'm going to

2:09:10

bring up some symptoms, but

2:09:13

he, then he, he'd got,

2:09:15

he got fucking shot in the head by

2:09:18

a 38 special round

2:09:21

in the middle of the road and survived

2:09:23

it. And

2:09:27

I've stayed with him through this whole process

2:09:29

when, anyways, couldn't

2:09:31

walk without a cane, was

2:09:34

bedridden five, six days out

2:09:36

of every week, hadn't had sex with

2:09:38

his wife in over two fucking years,

2:09:41

couldn't go outside without sunglasses on because

2:09:44

of the light sensitivity.

2:09:48

And I've been telling him,

2:09:50

hey, you need to, dude, you

2:09:52

have to go down and like do the side became

2:09:54

thing. Nothing

2:09:56

else is working. I think this shit's going to change. I wasn't

2:09:58

even aware of all this stuff. I knew about

2:10:01

the bedridden stuff and but he was

2:10:03

hiding out a lot hiding a lot of that shit

2:10:05

from me and his wife got

2:10:07

and called me and so

2:10:09

I got

2:10:12

him piped in and to this program

2:10:14

went down did I begin and Did

2:10:18

5m eo Left

2:10:21

his fucking cane there went

2:10:23

home banged his wife doesn't

2:10:25

need the sunglasses anymore And it's not

2:10:27

bedridden and that was about six months

2:10:29

ago, and I just talked to him

2:10:31

the other day. It's it's he's still

2:10:33

like Good to

2:10:35

go. That's wild and that dude this

2:10:38

shit happened like It

2:10:43

was four years four years of like

2:10:45

living through that shit I mean crack

2:10:47

skull one I began treatment one I

2:10:49

began treatment done I was like

2:10:51

do you think you'll go back and like see what?

2:10:54

Like if more benefits show up, and he was like

2:10:56

no I'm not I'm not gonna do it, but

2:10:59

he's like not unless I start to slip,

2:11:01

but he's like I'm like good I'm at

2:11:03

peace. I'm I feel Fucking

2:11:06

great. That's incredible. You know imagine if there was

2:11:08

a drug that could do that There

2:11:10

is but imagine if there was a drug

2:11:12

that the pharmaceutical drug companies could sell that

2:11:15

you do that yeah They would be treatment

2:11:17

centers everywhere. Yeah, are you suffering from PTSD?

2:11:19

We can cure you yeah here at ibogenesis

2:11:22

And then you go into that place and you

2:11:24

get hooked up It'll be just like fucking these

2:11:26

GLP ones that they're trying to give people to

2:11:28

lose weight to be everywhere Yeah, everybody would everyone

2:11:31

has stress everyone has trauma come on in

2:11:33

yep, and they just be selling it. Yeah,

2:11:35

you know and I

2:11:38

mean even mind like I haven't I

2:11:40

haven't drank in Almost

2:11:43

three years now really yeah, I just

2:11:45

I Went

2:11:47

down and did that I began

2:11:50

experience and Like it

2:11:52

was just like have you done I began no Why

2:11:55

not? What was good about it? Tell

2:11:57

me what was like? well

2:12:00

It's very effective for people with addiction. Yeah,

2:12:03

well, there it is right there, right? I couldn't

2:12:05

have drank it almost three years, but I mean,

2:12:08

it was, like, do you want like the

2:12:10

whole experience? Sure. Yeah,

2:12:12

yeah, yeah. Yeah, so

2:12:15

I went down to Mexico, and

2:12:19

I just kept having these guys come on my

2:12:21

show, and first one was Eddie

2:12:23

Gallagher. He was talking about psychedelics,

2:12:25

and I was like,

2:12:27

oh no, that shit's for hippies. I'm not fucking

2:12:29

with that. And then, you know, the one that

2:12:32

really got me was, I

2:12:38

had this guy on his name, DJ

2:12:40

Shipley, and he like-

2:12:42

I saw that one. You saw that one? Yeah,

2:12:45

it's great. Dude, DJ's a fucking beast, bro. Yeah,

2:12:47

I follow that guy on his camera. Holy shit. Like, takes

2:12:50

Davey Seal to a whole different level.

2:12:53

But anyways, but yeah, he like

2:12:55

went out of his way after we

2:12:58

recorded, and he was like, hey dude, like, you

2:13:00

should really fucking think about going down there.

2:13:03

And I was like, all right, well,

2:13:06

you know, I've done all the- I've done like a

2:13:08

ton of research. I've talked to a bunch of guys

2:13:10

about it. I understand like how it works now, and

2:13:12

so fuck

2:13:14

it, I'll go. And so I went

2:13:17

down there, because I

2:13:19

just wanted to be more in the moment with

2:13:21

my family. I got two little kids now,

2:13:25

and so I went down there, and that was

2:13:27

like, I felt like

2:13:29

I was kind of like through the PTSD type

2:13:32

stuff, and maybe

2:13:35

not, but I just wanted to get rid

2:13:37

of anxiety and

2:13:39

be in the moment with my family and da da da da da. And

2:13:42

so I went down and did

2:13:45

the Ibogaine thing, and

2:13:47

we took these pills,

2:13:50

and like the- I didn't get

2:13:52

a lot of visuals, but the first visual I

2:13:54

got was I was just sitting there like looking

2:13:57

in this mirror, shaking

2:13:59

this fucking mirror. Maraca and

2:14:01

my head's like I was like alright this

2:14:03

shit is not working well then my head

2:14:05

like it like

2:14:09

split open like oh in

2:14:12

the mirror yeah dude it

2:14:14

was like I watched my head like

2:14:17

peel like a fucking

2:14:19

banana like it was just like and

2:14:22

then and then another head

2:14:25

like just blossomed

2:14:27

out of it whoa yeah

2:14:29

it was really odd

2:14:33

and then I was like alright

2:14:35

it's definitely fucking kicking in I'm gonna

2:14:40

lay back and and

2:14:43

it was kind of to

2:14:47

me like the whole experience maybe I guess

2:14:50

I just lost total concept of time it

2:14:52

didn't feel it was like 12 hours but

2:14:55

it didn't feel like 12 hours

2:14:57

but it didn't really feel like five

2:14:59

minutes either but I

2:15:02

got like this life review kind of

2:15:04

thing and just had

2:15:06

these TV screens it looked like all black

2:15:09

like you're in space or something and then

2:15:12

these two lines of TV screens that were

2:15:14

going in my peripheral vision and

2:15:16

what was playing in those TV screens

2:15:18

was and it was moving like

2:15:21

it kind of a slow pace and

2:15:23

so like I could see what

2:15:25

was going on in the TV screens through

2:15:27

my peripheral but if I

2:15:29

tried to concentrate on any one particular

2:15:31

thing then they would

2:15:34

like all just disappear until

2:15:36

I stop trying to like concentrate

2:15:39

on one thing and then they all appear again and

2:15:42

I could like look at it through my

2:15:44

peripheral and I'd be like oh you know

2:15:46

that was that was in Baghdad

2:15:48

that's when I was five years old and

2:15:50

my dad was like yelling

2:15:53

at me and that was this and

2:15:55

it was like but it

2:15:58

wasn't like I wasn't like reliving traumatic

2:16:02

events. It was just like passing

2:16:05

me by. Like recording. Yeah. Like

2:16:07

old VHS tape. Yeah. And

2:16:10

so I just let them like pass

2:16:13

and then I went into some other stage which

2:16:15

I don't really understand but it was a bunch

2:16:17

of like these walls of stuffed

2:16:20

animals and I was kind of like going through

2:16:22

this maze and then like the

2:16:24

last thing I talked about before I did the

2:16:26

experience was China.

2:16:31

So then I had like this horrible this

2:16:33

horrible thing about the Chinese

2:16:35

invasion. But what

2:16:38

came out of that like it's like

2:16:40

oh well that that doesn't sound very good. Well yeah

2:16:42

what came out of that I lost 11 pounds

2:16:46

in literally one week. It's a

2:16:49

week-long type of experience. I lost

2:16:51

11 fucking pounds. It's also a heavy

2:16:53

metals detoxer by the way so that's

2:16:56

probably probably I'd like some heavy metals

2:16:58

blocking me up or something. But

2:17:02

though the the whites of my

2:17:04

eyes like cleared up like

2:17:08

and it wasn't just me I'd like journal all this

2:17:10

shit down and then I didn't tell my

2:17:12

wife any of this stuff and

2:17:15

I came home and she's like your

2:17:19

eyes look like a lot lighter like

2:17:22

the whites look a lot lighter whiter

2:17:25

and and in my brown eyes

2:17:27

looked like they had lightened up

2:17:29

huh yeah and then it was

2:17:32

also like I had realized everything

2:17:35

that I was ingesting that was poison.

2:17:38

It was like this going

2:17:40

back to intuition it was like

2:17:42

this intuition of like I

2:17:46

just I was like you know I didn't come I

2:17:48

didn't go down there to quit drinking you

2:17:50

know I just it just fucking

2:17:52

happened man like I was just like I don't

2:17:54

think I'm gonna drink anymore. So

2:17:56

I haven't had a drink and like

2:17:59

I said just under three feet. Do you think

2:18:01

you had a drinking problem? Oh fuck yeah man, I had

2:18:03

a drinking problem. Big

2:18:05

drinking problem. But

2:18:08

you didn't think it at the time? Well,

2:18:11

my drinking problem had digressed

2:18:15

quite a bit. So, I mean

2:18:17

I used to drink close to

2:18:20

two-fifths of vodka a day.

2:18:26

Whoa. But

2:18:30

then that was coming out

2:18:32

of the age and said I didn't

2:18:34

have anything to do really. And processing

2:18:37

a lot of what had happened over

2:18:39

the past 14 years. Didn't

2:18:42

have any friends, severely depressed,

2:18:44

whatever man. Loved to

2:18:46

party. And that

2:18:49

just, it was wake up, drink

2:18:53

many bottles of vodka all day long. And

2:18:55

then at night, you know, I'd crack

2:18:57

a fifth. But by the time I

2:19:00

went there, it was

2:19:04

like probably two bottles of wine instead

2:19:06

of two bottles of vodka a night.

2:19:08

Still, holy shit. Yeah.

2:19:11

That's a lot of wine. Well, I mean that's,

2:19:13

yeah, it is. But

2:19:18

anyways, came back and I just

2:19:21

didn't want the wine anymore. I used to

2:19:23

take Adderall, addicted

2:19:26

to that. Didn't

2:19:28

need that. Didn't need this Ambien anymore.

2:19:31

Didn't need anything. Cold

2:19:33

turkey. Cold turkey, man. Weed,

2:19:36

quit weed for about six months and

2:19:41

then, yeah, then I went

2:19:43

back. And even sugar, man.

2:19:46

I quit sugar for about six months. And

2:19:49

it was, you know, the funny thing is, man,

2:19:51

like it was zero effort. It wasn't like I'm

2:19:53

not fucking drinking and I'm not going to do

2:19:55

sugar and I'm not going to smoke weed and

2:19:57

no more Adderall. I just

2:19:59

didn't. wanted and there

2:20:02

was no, there

2:20:04

was just no urge. There was no addiction

2:20:07

left. It was gone. Wow.

2:20:09

That's the thing they say about Ibogaine that it

2:20:12

uniquely rewires your brain. Yeah.

2:20:14

There's some sort of a scientific understanding of how

2:20:16

it works, but the

2:20:19

fact that it's illegal in this country is bananas.

2:20:21

Yeah. I mean, how

2:20:23

many people are suffering through opioid addiction?

2:20:25

It's an enormous number. If

2:20:28

there was a thing that we are aware of that

2:20:31

could help all of our citizens that

2:20:33

are struggling right now listening to this,

2:20:35

if people are struggling, and

2:20:37

there's a thing and it's illegal in this

2:20:39

country. Yep. As far as

2:20:41

I know, I don't think people are dying

2:20:44

from Ibogaine. You know,

2:20:46

Ibogaine was, it was very funny

2:20:48

that Hunter chose this, but Hunter S. Thompson

2:20:50

used that during, was it the McGovern,

2:20:54

the McGovern elections? It was

2:20:57

like 72, whatever it was, and when he

2:21:00

rode fear and loathing on

2:21:02

the campaign trail. So he created

2:21:04

a rumor that Ed Muskie, who was

2:21:06

one of the candidates, had a severe

2:21:08

Ibogaine addiction and the Brazilian scientists were

2:21:11

coming to visit him and

2:21:13

give him this treatment. And it

2:21:16

became such a rumor and it spread so

2:21:18

far and it started affecting him. And he

2:21:20

was giving campaign speeches and he was denying

2:21:22

it, and he was all sweating, and he

2:21:24

looked like a maniac. And

2:21:27

Hunter essentially derailed this guy's

2:21:29

campaign by saying that

2:21:31

he was addicted to Ibogaine and the wall things.

2:21:33

I think Ibogaine would be impossible to do. See,

2:21:36

if you can find Hunter on the Dick Cavett

2:21:38

Show where he admits that he started the rumor,

2:21:41

it's very funny. Wow. I fucking loved that

2:21:43

dude. God, I wish I met him. Yeah,

2:21:45

me too. He was a fucking maniac. That

2:21:47

would have been wild. But the fact that

2:21:49

he used Ibogaine was really funny and ironic

2:21:51

because that's the thing that gets you to

2:21:54

quit addictions. Yeah. I mean, it's

2:21:56

not a fun experience, man. There's a lot of

2:21:58

bad things. I never

2:22:01

said he was. I said there was a rumor

2:22:03

in Milwaukee that he was, which was true. And

2:22:08

I started the rumor in

2:22:10

Milwaukee. Oh, shit. That

2:22:13

guy, he fucked everybody up because

2:22:15

he would do actual journalism mixed

2:22:17

in with fiction. And, you

2:22:20

know, he called it gonzo journalism. He essentially started

2:22:22

a new kind of journalism. There

2:22:24

was an understanding that some of this

2:22:26

was not real. And you had to

2:22:29

kind of figure out what was real and what wasn't real,

2:22:31

and he was just going to do it his way. He

2:22:34

was a cool dude, man. He was

2:22:36

a cool dude. That would have been a hell

2:22:38

of an interview. Oh, my God, yeah. But the

2:22:40

fact that he chose Ibogaine is kind of funny.

2:22:43

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, because they

2:22:45

say it's like the one that you would... You

2:22:48

can't get addicted to. Honestly, I don't think I could get

2:22:50

addicted to any of them. Yeah,

2:22:53

I don't think so either. I've heard of people that get

2:22:55

addicted to certain psychedelics. But I think

2:22:58

there's people that do psychedelics to learn more about

2:23:00

themselves, and I think there's people that do it

2:23:02

to escape. And I think they

2:23:04

escape reality with it, and then they get used to

2:23:06

escape, and then they choose that as their reality, and

2:23:08

they do it way too much. I

2:23:10

think there's abuse with everything. Yeah. I

2:23:13

think you can certainly abuse at least some

2:23:15

psychedelics. But the benefits

2:23:17

of them far outweigh the negatives, and there's a

2:23:19

lot of people that are hurting in this country,

2:23:21

and they should have access to all the different

2:23:23

things that could help them. Yeah, yeah. And the

2:23:26

fact that you have to go to Mexico to

2:23:28

do that... It's ridiculous, man.

2:23:30

I mean, it's fucking working. Yeah.

2:23:33

It's working, and

2:23:37

it's just... Why the fuck?

2:23:39

Why? Why? Why? Why can't

2:23:41

you let

2:23:44

us... I'm

2:23:46

speaking for

2:23:49

the veteran population right now, but why

2:23:51

can't you just let us fucking get

2:23:53

better? Right. Like, everybody knows the

2:23:56

22 a day, you know,

2:23:58

which is actually like 40-something a day. of

2:24:00

veterans that are killing themselves and this shit

2:24:03

is a fucking game changer and But

2:24:07

I don't think big pharma is gonna allow it. I

2:24:09

just I think that's what the holdup is

2:24:11

Well, maybe that's something that RFK jr. Can

2:24:13

help. Yeah if they get in the office Yeah,

2:24:16

if they get in office, I mean, but when you hear about

2:24:18

the five kill teams and you hear about all this different shit

2:24:20

That's going on. I mean

2:24:24

October hasn't even started

2:24:26

yet. You got a full month of October and

2:24:28

who knows what the fucking happened. Yeah up and

2:24:31

leading up to the elections Yeah,

2:24:33

I don't think they're gonna load up I

2:24:36

don't think so whoever they are and in not

2:24:38

only that but it is, you know, forget about

2:24:40

the Organization like to forget

2:24:42

about like that There are people out there

2:24:45

probably like Iran and maybe state

2:24:47

actors or who knows that's trying to

2:24:49

kill Trump What about this the

2:24:51

fucking general kooks that have been buying all

2:24:53

this rhetoric? Every day that he's a

2:24:55

threat to democracy and they think that this is the one

2:24:57

thing that can give them meaning in their life the

2:25:00

one Great act that they

2:25:02

can accomplish to go out and kill Trump.

2:25:04

I mean,

2:25:06

it's I Don't

2:25:09

know man, I mean it's there's

2:25:12

just There's

2:25:14

so much that that goes into

2:25:16

this like that first shooter, right? What was

2:25:18

he 20 years old? Yeah, you know 20

2:25:20

years old Then

2:25:23

you got you know Trump's basically been in

2:25:25

the media for what about eight years You

2:25:27

think he showed up what about a year

2:25:29

before before the 2016 election,

2:25:31

right kind of went in so

2:25:34

we're going on what eight years now of of

2:25:37

the media just Slamming him

2:25:40

over and over. He's a threat to democracy.

2:25:42

This is gonna ruin the country, you know

2:25:44

So if you take that 20 year old,

2:25:46

I mean A

2:25:49

so he's since he was 12 years old.

2:25:52

That's all he's heard. Yeah 12 fucking

2:25:54

years old That's all he's heard and little kids

2:25:56

have no ability to discern so Is

2:26:01

it a very

2:26:03

well orchestrated act

2:26:05

to kill him? Or is it

2:26:10

media manipulation that nobody really thought too

2:26:12

far into this and now it's all

2:26:15

– now we're seeing the consequences, you know,

2:26:17

of what that kind of

2:26:21

pushing an agenda like that will do? It's

2:26:23

probably both things, you know. It's probably both

2:26:25

things. It's probably all the

2:26:27

above. And

2:26:30

the fact that 24% of Americans think – or

2:26:32

polled, obviously polled because those are

2:26:34

the dumbest motherfuckers of all time anyway, people

2:26:36

that answer polls. You always have to think

2:26:38

of that, you know. Like 99%

2:26:40

of people don't answer polls. So out

2:26:42

of that 1%, 24% of

2:26:44

those retards are dumb enough to think

2:26:46

that it's a good idea to shoot Trump and

2:26:49

that the American people shouldn't be able to decide

2:26:51

on their own. That's what's really crazy.

2:26:53

They think they're right and you're wrong

2:26:55

and no matter what, they have to stop you

2:26:58

from getting your vote. They have to

2:27:00

stop you from voting in the direction that you are

2:27:02

thinking you are going to vote for. It's

2:27:07

just a scary time. A scary time for the

2:27:09

republic. It really is. Yes,

2:27:11

it is. Like weirdly scary. And

2:27:14

also like weirdly chaotic in the sense

2:27:16

that this is all happening at the

2:27:18

same time as the rise of podcasts

2:27:21

and social media and new

2:27:23

ways to get information. Some more people are aware

2:27:25

of how fucked we are now than like

2:27:27

during the Vietnam War. People

2:27:30

were against the Vietnam War and

2:27:32

they're against fighting the troops

2:27:34

in the Vietnam War but they didn't

2:27:36

really know what was going on. They didn't have

2:27:38

like full access to it like we have now.

2:27:40

Yeah, yeah. I

2:27:44

don't know where this ends, man. I mean part of

2:27:46

me thinks, you know, it's just, it's,

2:27:50

part of me thinks we're just going to end in

2:27:53

a, some type of a civil war. That's

2:27:55

terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. I

2:27:58

mean that seems like, it seems like it's definitely being

2:28:00

pushed in that direction. I

2:28:02

mean, I think we're kind of already there. It's

2:28:05

just going to look a lot different. It's a Cold

2:28:07

War, right? You know? Yeah. You see these states

2:28:09

banding together. You

2:28:12

see blue states banding together. You see bright

2:28:14

states banding together. You see a lot

2:28:16

of governors aligning, sending

2:28:18

National Guard down here to Texas

2:28:21

to try to secure the border.

2:28:27

You got these extreme,

2:28:30

look, I don't, whether you agree

2:28:32

with me or not, they're extreme. And

2:28:35

so like the abortion stuff,

2:28:37

you got states that are making

2:28:39

these super-parsh abortion laws. We're going

2:28:41

to hunt you down if you

2:28:43

get one and throw your ass

2:28:46

in prison. And I

2:28:49

think I can't remember how

2:28:51

many states now have passed. Constitutional carry is

2:28:53

like 20. I

2:28:56

can't remember. I think there's only

2:28:58

like a state or two left that need constitutional carry.

2:29:01

But I mean, I think basically what

2:29:03

I'm getting at is I think the lines are kind

2:29:05

of like being drawn right

2:29:08

now. Or the alliances are kind of forming

2:29:11

up like, hey, let's pass

2:29:13

these super red laws,

2:29:16

these super left law or blue

2:29:18

laws, and it'll drive everybody

2:29:20

out of the state that we want. And it'll,

2:29:22

do you know what I'm

2:29:24

getting at? Yeah, I do know what you're getting at. I

2:29:27

think this is all kind of happening naturally.

2:29:31

Yeah, I don't know what the solution to any of

2:29:33

this stuff is. I hope it's a

2:29:35

greater understanding that we develop

2:29:37

over time where we figure out

2:29:39

how to communicate better and work

2:29:41

together. And I think some of

2:29:44

that can be facilitated through AI

2:29:46

if it's done correctly, if it's like a real

2:29:49

open source AI, where people

2:29:51

can get a real better understanding of the

2:29:53

actual mechanisms instead of like whatever beliefs you have

2:29:55

and why the system works the way it

2:29:57

is, if you can just have it laid out.

2:30:00

Yeah factually laid out where there

2:30:02

can be no shenanigans. You can't

2:30:04

deny it I mean, I think

2:30:06

one way would just be having

2:30:08

podcasters and and journalists. I Mean

2:30:13

how the fuck would you do this? But you

2:30:15

know one thing on Like

2:30:18

on my show and I kind of went off

2:30:21

the rails a little bit the last month. I've

2:30:23

got a little bright More

2:30:25

political than I'm one. I was I

2:30:28

hate politics man. Yeah me too I mean,

2:30:30

it's it's the kind of they come up all

2:30:32

the time to the country. Yeah, you know every

2:30:34

time I dive in I Feel

2:30:38

like I

2:30:40

feel like I fucked a hooker on a rusty

2:30:42

couch It's like

2:30:44

I don't think this shit's gonna wash it off

2:30:47

But But

2:30:54

But anyways where I was going is I

2:30:56

you know I the people have just lost

2:30:58

the fucking ability to think for themselves like

2:31:00

they can't critical think anymore and You

2:31:04

know, so like one thing that I do on

2:31:06

mine is if I bring somebody on that's

2:31:09

I'm like Don't say

2:31:11

Trump 500 times on my show Let's

2:31:15

not say like fuck the left fuck the

2:31:17

right Like let's not say

2:31:19

these fucking Democrats and these fucking

2:31:21

Republicans like just just give

2:31:23

me the policy Just give

2:31:26

me the problem. Just like let's just leave

2:31:28

all that shit out Yeah, because if you

2:31:30

leave all that all those

2:31:32

adjectives out, then it forces

2:31:34

people to go Well shit

2:31:36

I don't really know it forces them to

2:31:39

formulate their own opinion because they don't know

2:31:41

what their side thinks about That

2:31:43

particular issue unless you're talking

2:31:45

about abortion or something like that But you

2:31:48

know what? I'm you know what I mean If you

2:31:50

leave that out of if you leave if you can

2:31:52

leave those adjectives out then I think common

2:31:56

sense will start to make a comeback

2:31:58

because it won't be so

2:32:00

tribal that we'll be like, well, actually,

2:32:02

I don't really, I don't know

2:32:05

where the party that I

2:32:07

align with stands on this,

2:32:09

so I'm going to have to formulate my own fucking

2:32:11

opinion here. And,

2:32:13

man, that would do wonders for

2:32:15

humanity. We definitely need more people that are willing

2:32:18

to do that, too, because some people just don't

2:32:20

have the time or the interest to

2:32:22

form their own opinions on things. It's so

2:32:24

much easier to just agree with whatever their side

2:32:26

believes. How did you

2:32:28

get started in doing a podcast? What was the motivation

2:32:30

behind it? Well,

2:32:33

I used to teach weapons and

2:32:36

tactics, and I taught

2:32:39

Keanu Reeves for John Wick 3, and

2:32:45

then I got a lot of hate.

2:32:47

I'll just put it that way. I

2:32:49

got a lot of hate from

2:32:52

the special operations community, from

2:32:55

the two-way community, and I

2:32:58

was like, you know what, man? It's

2:33:00

a very egocentric community anyways, and so I

2:33:02

was like, I'm fucking done with this shit.

2:33:08

I just started ... Dude, I didn't know

2:33:10

what to do. I was doing camping stove

2:33:13

reviews, and I bought a bunch of

2:33:15

fucking alpacas and put them in my front yard, and I

2:33:17

thought I was going to be a farmer. You

2:33:21

know what I did? I was like,

2:33:23

dude, I'm

2:33:26

so fucking tired of my

2:33:29

guys killing themselves

2:33:31

and going into repression and suicide

2:33:33

attempts, and I got

2:33:35

sick of the same

2:33:37

talking heads on TV kind of

2:33:39

documenting what was going on over there.

2:33:43

It was a bunch of people who had never even stepped

2:33:45

foot in any of

2:33:47

those war zones documenting what happened over there.

2:33:53

I just started, and I'd built maybe 250,000 subs on YouTube

2:33:55

from ... gun

2:34:00

stuff. And so

2:34:02

I started, I was like, I got

2:34:04

to, one, we got to document the

2:34:06

history. Two, there's

2:34:08

a major fucking suicide epidemic happening.

2:34:10

So let's talk about some guys

2:34:12

that had hit attempted. I

2:34:15

was, I mean, I tried to kill myself,

2:34:17

but let's, let's get some guys that

2:34:19

have really been through it, dug themselves

2:34:21

out of it. And, and, and

2:34:25

let's, so it's, so it's, we're documenting

2:34:28

history the way it happened. We

2:34:30

are talking about the, the veteran

2:34:32

crisis that's going on and

2:34:35

how people got out of it. And

2:34:37

then it also, and then at the end

2:34:39

of the, every episode was, Hey, let's like,

2:34:41

let's talk about your business, you know, cause

2:34:44

it's stories what sells. So let's, let's do

2:34:46

the whole story and get everybody like super

2:34:48

attached to you. Let's document

2:34:50

the history, talk about your vulnerabilities, what

2:34:52

it was like trans re transitioning back

2:34:55

into civilian life, how fucked up

2:34:57

it was, how you ruined your family, how you

2:34:59

tried to kill yourself, all that shit, how you

2:35:01

came out of it. And then let's talk about

2:35:03

your business. And so, I mean,

2:35:06

these guys would come on and,

2:35:09

and, you know, their business

2:35:11

would like jet launch overnight,

2:35:14

which I'm sure you, you know, but

2:35:17

in that I just did, I just liked

2:35:20

doing it. I liked fucking helping

2:35:22

people and, and, but

2:35:26

I'll tell you, like

2:35:29

I started, it was awesome. I

2:35:31

loved it. I still, there's nothing else I'd rather

2:35:34

do. I started, I

2:35:36

started feeling a lot of resentment

2:35:38

to my guests because they

2:35:41

would come on my show

2:35:44

and then they would like

2:35:46

pass me up business wise like that. And I was

2:35:48

like, fuck man, like what, what the fuck do I have

2:35:50

to do to make a business out of this shit?

2:35:52

Like I was like, I'm great

2:35:54

at like jet launching everybody else's shit,

2:35:57

but I'm not making any fucking money

2:35:59

here. and I got a family

2:36:01

to support and This

2:36:04

isn't gonna work out and then I

2:36:06

don't know what happened man But then

2:36:08

something just like switched like God just

2:36:10

stepped in and was like you're

2:36:12

doing good shit like I'm

2:36:16

gonna I'm gonna bless you and

2:36:19

and I just like hit a turning point and Now

2:36:24

I just talked to whoever I'm

2:36:26

interested in But

2:36:29

but well you're doing a great show and I

2:36:31

think that's all it takes I think

2:36:33

do you do a great show and then

2:36:35

the beautiful thing about social media and YouTube

2:36:37

and all these different things is that People

2:36:39

could just share it like I've had

2:36:41

a few people I think Billy Carson I think somebody

2:36:43

sent me that one and you know, it's

2:36:46

just like someone would say hey check this out You

2:36:48

know and just send you a text message. That's such

2:36:50

a massive advantage of YouTube

2:36:53

and And Spotify on a lot of these apps

2:36:55

is that someone could just send you a show

2:36:57

like you'd really love this show check it Out

2:36:59

and then you just click it and all sudden

2:37:01

it's playing, you know and I play it

2:37:03

in my car could play it in the sauna and I'm

2:37:05

listening to this and it It's

2:37:09

a complete new thing that's

2:37:12

available anytime you want you could

2:37:14

pause it No, I know

2:37:16

it's you. I know I got one of the things I

2:37:18

like about your show is I can 100% tell This

2:37:21

is just you talking to these guys.

2:37:23

Like what did you do? I got

2:37:25

okay explain that to me like it's

2:37:27

just you and in

2:37:31

this world of talking heads That

2:37:34

has become a very refreshing alternative to a

2:37:36

lot of people and if you do a

2:37:38

good show like yours It just grows. It's

2:37:40

just people will find it, you

2:37:42

know people share it and it just organically

2:37:45

grows Well, thank you for checking

2:37:47

it out. Hey, my pleasure. How did why

2:37:49

did you start yours? I

2:37:51

started just on a laptop

2:37:54

Answering questions like with a friend of

2:37:56

mine my friend Brian. We started with we

2:37:59

were just just fucking around we thought it'd be fun to just

2:38:01

do for fun you know I always wanted to do a

2:38:03

radio show but I thought no one's ever gonna give me

2:38:06

a radio show you know when I

2:38:08

was when I was touring doing clubs back

2:38:10

in the day where you would have to

2:38:12

do morning radio I would like to do

2:38:14

it I would like because I have these

2:38:16

crazy things that I'm interested in crazy stories

2:38:18

so I'd come in do these morning radio

2:38:20

shows and I'd be like wow

2:38:23

what a great job that would be a big morning

2:38:25

radio game yeah I'd fuck up and swear that

2:38:27

wouldn't work and then the rise of

2:38:30

podcasts happened and you know Adam Carolla

2:38:32

had one and you know there's a

2:38:34

bunch of other ones and then Opie

2:38:36

and Anthony Anthony Kumea from

2:38:38

Opie and Anthony started doing his own show called

2:38:40

live from the compound where he's doing like karaoke

2:38:43

holding a machine gun and he's out of his

2:38:45

fucking mind he built a television

2:38:47

studio in his basement and I was like

2:38:49

fuck he can do that and do that

2:38:51

online like I need to start doing

2:38:54

something so we started out just doing

2:38:56

this little oh and also the Tom

2:38:58

Green show Tom Green had his own

2:39:00

like internet talk show and

2:39:03

I was a guest on it along with for my podcast I

2:39:05

was like you just gotta figure out how to make money out

2:39:07

of this like you look you could see the the

2:39:10

seeds of my podcast being planted while I was

2:39:12

on his show I was like this is amazing

2:39:14

no executives no one talking to you that

2:39:17

and then I actually even was in talks with the

2:39:19

company that was doing it with him to do my

2:39:21

own thing with them but I just decided to do

2:39:23

it on my own I'm like I don't do nothing

2:39:25

with nobody I wanted it to just be 100% me

2:39:27

just fucking around

2:39:30

and in the beginning all my friends like what the fuck

2:39:32

are you doing like why are you wasting your time they'd

2:39:35

come over my house and my kids were

2:39:37

really young at the time so like in the early

2:39:39

days like you would hear we were in one of

2:39:41

my spare bedrooms with a desk set up and you'd

2:39:43

hear mommy she took my thing

2:39:47

the kids are arguing with each other

2:39:50

so it was you know from that moving

2:39:52

into like a little studio

2:39:54

rented a little office space somewhere and and

2:39:57

then moved into a warehouse and

2:40:00

got a real studio and then started

2:40:02

having security there and then started,

2:40:04

well, I should have a fucking

2:40:06

gym here. Let's put a gym in and started, you know,

2:40:08

bringing in guys to train with. And

2:40:11

then it just got big, all organic. I

2:40:16

never did ads for it. I never did

2:40:18

put a billboard up. I never went on

2:40:20

other people's podcasts and said, please watch my

2:40:22

podcast. Never did any of that, never promoted

2:40:24

it. It just grew. That's

2:40:27

awesome. But it's all the same reason

2:40:29

why yours is growing. It's just, I

2:40:31

talk to whoever I wanna talk to. Yeah. You

2:40:34

know? I watched your show a bunch of times, reached out to you

2:40:36

on Instagram. Look what's up. Yep,

2:40:38

yep. But

2:40:40

the way you do it and the way I

2:40:42

do it is I think that's why it's interesting.

2:40:44

Because I can tell, like, when you're talking to

2:40:46

that guy that was talking about the direct energy

2:40:48

weapons and antarctic, all that crazy shit, like, you

2:40:50

wanted to hear what the guy had to say.

2:40:53

Like, you know, this is why he was on there.

2:40:56

This isn't like some producer has told you

2:40:58

the list of guests that you're gonna have

2:41:00

for the week and you're

2:41:02

not really interested in it and you gotta interview some fucking

2:41:04

kid in a boy band. I can't do

2:41:06

it. I can't do it. There's

2:41:09

no reason to do it. Yeah, you know,

2:41:12

when I started, we

2:41:14

started in the attic, it was me and my wife, we had

2:41:16

these shit cameras that had 30 minute timers, so

2:41:19

my Glover was my first guest.

2:41:22

And so my wife was running back and forth,

2:41:25

resetting these 30 minute fucking timer cameras and I'm

2:41:27

trying to run the sound and listen to what

2:41:29

the hell Mike's saying. And I'm like, this

2:41:33

is fucking awesome. We're gonna do this for

2:41:35

a long time. What year did you start?

2:41:38

I started, first one got

2:41:40

pumped out Christmas of 2019.

2:41:43

Wow. Yeah. Well, that's

2:41:45

also a great example because a lot of people wanna

2:41:47

say that the podcast market is too saturated now. Like,

2:41:49

I've heard people say that, ah, it's too hard to

2:41:51

make it in the podcast market. I'm like, I

2:41:54

don't believe that. I don't believe that.

2:41:56

I think if you got a good show, it's gonna

2:41:58

rise. Same here. And that's you. Thank

2:42:00

you. Thank you. Well, I studied the hell

2:42:02

out of your show and when I was

2:42:04

doing it and and you know I

2:42:06

wanted to I Just

2:42:09

wanted to make it different. I didn't

2:42:11

want to copy the red

2:42:13

curtain and You know

2:42:15

what I mean? You made it yours. Yeah, you

2:42:17

really did and it's

2:42:19

uh, that's the great thing about this And

2:42:22

we need more voices like yours out there

2:42:24

more different people that are doing the same

2:42:26

kind of thing You know following their own

2:42:28

interests talking to people honestly having these long-term

2:42:31

Long-form podcasts like the

2:42:34

the one with the guys studying the UFOs. I think

2:42:36

that's like four and a half hours long, right? Which

2:42:38

one? Is it

2:42:40

what's his name? John Alexander? Yeah, I

2:42:43

did one that was like nine hours Yeah,

2:42:45

John Alexander. This one is how long is

2:42:47

this one? Let me check

2:42:51

Let's say Resume

2:42:56

Six hours, yeah Yeah,

2:43:00

it's six hours in a couple of minutes Yeah

2:43:02

of you talking to this guy about paranormal programs

2:43:04

in the government. I don't want to let

2:43:06

him go It

2:43:09

was amazing. It's crazy stuff man.

2:43:11

Thank you. Listen Shawn. It was great to

2:43:13

meet you. I really appreciate you I appreciate

2:43:15

what you're doing. I appreciate how you do it and

2:43:19

It's good to become friends. Hey, thank you

2:43:21

for having me Joe. My pleasure to be here.

2:43:23

All right. Bye everybody Oh watch the show Shawn

2:43:25

Ryan show it's on everything, right? Yep

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